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krowboom Loyal user Chicago area 233 Posts |
Some people and I'm one of those have a hard time with books. Unless I see it done it's hard for me to get it and I won't be able to perform it for a year until I get it. In addition, many tricks are done on YouTube which is a great source and costs nothing. I'm not just talking about how to do it YouTube videos but professionals performing various tricks. This way you see how it's done. Also just as an aside not all DVDs are $45 and not all books have 100 tricks. Many DVD's are priced under $20 and teach dozens of tricks offering just as good a value as many books. Frankly, there are many magic books out there so poorly written that it would take a magician to figure them out.
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krowboom Loyal user Chicago area 233 Posts |
Thank you Harry Lorayne for confirming what I just said.
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Ado Inner circle New York City 1033 Posts |
Good books are better.
Some, like Giobbi's Card College, contain not only great tricks, but also a lot of peripheral knowledge that will help you be a better magician. For example, help about precise timing, finger positioning, or about psychology of magic. But it's important to see how tricks are performed, to see how invisible many moves are. You should never stop your trick to think about the next move to do or to get ready for it. In practice sessions, you should be able to perform you trick without thinking, smoothly, in 20 seconds or so. That would show that you actually have aquired the trick as a second nature. Only then, should you perform. And make it last 2 to 5 minutes with your (rehearsed) patter! I think many Dan and Dave Buck videos (and that of other people having a similar "modern" style) show you how smoothly you should be able to do tricks in rehearsals, and how you shouldn't perform them. Once you get that, all you need is books! P! |
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metaljohn Loyal user Montreal, QC 280 Posts |
I think there's a small learning curve to "reading a magic book". I remember reading Royal Road To Card Magic and having a bit of a hard time reading that first chapter. The Overhand Shuffle seemed so hard to understand. The finger placement, the parts of the deck, etc. After a while it gets easy. Now reading books isn't a problem. Even leaning a difficuilt sleight is easy to read/understand. My wife picked up Card College volume 3 that was lying around on the coffee table and read one paragraph and said she didn't understand a thing. She asked me how the hell do I understand what is being said lol.
DVDs are good too, but you get way more detail from a book. |
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Kaneda New user Keithville, LA 81 Posts |
I personally love books. DVDs are great too mainly to see what the effect should look like. I heard somewhere that the best way to learn is to see someone do the effect then read it in the book. When you read you are able to focus more on the finer details I believe.
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Cardflipper New user 61 Posts |
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On Nov 11, 2013, krowboom wrote: Count me among those who have a hard time learning from books, too. Video is the next best thing to having a real coach, especially now since magic shops are few and far apart these days. |
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EoKlausRO New user 21 Posts |
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On Mar 5, 2014, Cardflipper wrote: Count me too among you. Because I am not a native English speaker, I have a hard time reading the effects and understating it. Of course, I don't have this problem with all the books, only with some old ones, for examples, I was trying to learn All backs from Alex Elmsley, and there was a sleight that I really could not understand how to do it, until I found the performance of that trick. The best thing in my opinion is: books + performance videos that you can find on the Internet.
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Cardflipper New user 61 Posts |
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On Mar 5, 2014, EoKlausRO wrote: Classics they may be, but the old Dover books have very few illustrations. Drove myself crazy last night trying to learn the Overhand Shuffle force from RRTCM. Found a video today on it that set me straight. |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
I've been told, by thousands, many with first languages other than English, over the decades, that it is exceptionally easy to learn from my books. HL. (Wonder how many of my books you've read, Cardflipper. Just curious.)
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Cardflipper New user 61 Posts |
Would love to, Harry. Just don't have the cash right now to buy any.
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
I certainly understand a money problem; I have no argument at all with that. It's just that making broad statements (wonder how many of my books knowboom has read?!)before you know all just rubs me the wrong way. You're making general statements that simply, I've been told (as above, literally tens of thousands of times over the decades), DO NOT APPLY TO ME. Really, you should KNOW before you SPEAK publicly. Just my opinion. HL.
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MRSharpe Special user Never a dull moment with 940 Posts |
I thought I had already posted a reply to this, but it must have been a similar post.
You're really asking more than one question here. First, if you need to learn a new move, learn a routine that utilizes the move. Trying to learn moves in a vacuum is very difficult. Once you know the move and a routine it is fine to drill the move apart from the routine. Drill on others moves you use on a regular basis in the same session to keep them all sharp, but learn a routine with each move first. Once you know the move well, find other routines which you that move or multiple moves you know and perfect that routine. Then those moves become like a tool box you an pull from whenever you need them. If you are talking about learning how to use a gaff or utility item, the same holds true. However, you must understand all there is about how that gaff works and how to get it into action. You may find other applications for a given gaff in the process of learning about the gaff. On presentation, if it helps to learn a presentation that has canned patter in order to get the sequencing down, the do so, but as soon as possible come up with an original presentation which works fore you. I have routines for which I haven't yet discovered a presentation and I have never performed those routines because I want my performances to be unique to me. Good luck.
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
I certainly understand a money problem; I have no argument at all with that. It's just that making broad statements (wonder how many of my books knowboom has read?!)before you know all just rubs me the wrong way. You're making general statements that simply, I've been told (as above, literally tens of thousands of times over the decades), DO NOT APPLY TO ME. Really, you should KNOW before you SPEAK publicly. Just my opinion. HL.
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rockkid New user 31 Posts |
Later on, I think books are better, since there have been books for longer time, thus they contain more information. But if your a beginner/complete beginner I think DVDs are better: they actually show you the stuff live, while books (even if they have the best diagrams, cannot do that. (Not trying to offend anybody who has written books)
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