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Well it was heads or tails on 100th Monkey or this. I have gone for this and the wife has put in the preorder so that's my crimbo prezie sorted out,roll on Christmas,all the best.
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Love E2. Want E2. Will have E2.
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Mine arrived today.Wow I love it.In its simplicity you wouldnt need a jacket.Say you want to know what card was chosen.As for mentalism.Appart from reading someones mind ie what card was chosen and what symbol was drawn on it.No forces.However get a deck double blank bikes on each one write something in permanent maker.Something that can be drawn.Say that most people draw a house,cat,flower,car,smiley face.So hears a random test with 52 DIff items.Once ones chosen memorised.placed back into pack inside a box.you don't even need to put into pocket.Just a little away from them.you get them to draw it and You can finish at the same time as them.Both drawings match.This thing is fantastic.
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The postman has put mine in next door as we were at work ,must of been someone there to sign for it?,as no one lives there ,just the workman,so god knows if I will get it now,why it just could not be put through our letter box as usual with Alakazam product's I'll never know.
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Magic in mind thanks for the clever idea. Just another way to use this fantastic utility.
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What a great idea!
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I have the first one of these, and, I love it and use it from time to time. So there is little value here for me...

But £60? My god.... that's more than some of the top electric gadgets on the market...... how on earth can this be so much money?
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Got mine through the door,now it is in it's package waiting to be wrapped ,ooh I want to take a peek but I will be in trouble if I open it before Christma,lol.
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On 2013-12-03 14:54, magic in mind wrote:
Mine arrived today.Wow I love it.In its simplicity you wouldnt need a jacket.Say you want to know what card was chosen.As for mentalism.Appart from reading someones mind ie what card was chosen and what symbol was drawn on it.No forces.However get a deck double blank bikes on each one write something in permanent maker.Something that can be drawn.Say that most people draw a house,cat,flower,car,smiley face.So hears a random test with 52 DIff items.Once ones chosen memorised.placed back into pack inside a box.you don't even need to put into pocket.Just a little away from them.you get them to draw it and You can finish at the same time as them.Both drawings match.This thing is fantastic.



Buy what is the rationalization for picking a card with the drawing on it - inserting it safely in the card box and THEN also drawing it too?

I'm not trying to put the idea down, just trying to get the why and how that makes sense.

Why not just have someone draw something?

The whole point of Extractor is that yes it can give you a very easy peek - but if the card appears somehwre like in your pocket...now of course we are in the realm of magic not mentalism.

Maybe a better concept would be to have someone write a name or whatever they want on the blank card, get your look - then reveal like any other imp or peek device. You could do this with a drawing too as you describe, but having them then draw it again to me wouldn't add up. Maybe better to have them just mentally draw it and then you dupplicate?
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Firstly I never said the cards had drawings on them I said they had names of objects that can easily be drawn.I did the same effect via electronic means ie rhinesense blank cards that I wrote on them ... light house,windmill,yacht etc.I made up a blank box out of white card(using a carefully dissected bycyle deck box as template).I printed on it Paranormal research labs esp test kit and a serial no.
Now with the extractor,I will have 50 plus cards and can modify patter and routine and mechanics.Rhine sense was limited to 10 blank cards.I can now explain that esp cards are no longer used.As there where only five symbols,a one in five chance.So these were brought out.Make a point that, each set has over 50 words prompting you to visualise a certain object.These objects were picked by psycologists to stimulate the imagination.I showed the light house.Some people will draw it plain,some put stripes on it.Some people draw rocks seagulls etc.This makes it that much more difficult.In essence the light house was probably the only one,that had so much variety in the way you could draw it.So as I had mentioned it,and waved it around, it was never picked

I took a long time thinking exactly which would work best.Another example would be to avoid writing boat,as people get ships and boats mixed up.Therfore you could draw a rowing boat and they would have drawn a cruise liner with three funnels and smoke coming out of them.A far cry from what you drew.So write the word cruise liner.I bet you there will always be two or three funnels. So to the question you do a remote viewing type of effect.You say If I asked you to think of something to draw It would probably be a stick man,flower,cat,smiley face etc.I pretty much know(if a woman)you were going to draw a cat.At this point don't pause to let them answer quickly hand them the box,and use patter, verify that all visualisation prompters (as the psycologists have called them)are all different.Theres over 50 so take your time have a look through.Ill turn away and when done hold to your chest and make sure your hand completely covers it.Head still turned please put the rest back in the box so I can not cheat and see which one is missing.Do what you need to do in this next beat.Ask them to look at the prompter once more,this time whilst they are looking at whats written on it start to visualise the object,turn away and do what you need to do.Replace card in pack put straight down in front of you or in your pocket if standing.Do the routine.Finish at the same time as them.
I personally couldn't think of anything stronger.Imp pad youd have to take back,couldnt finish at the same time.You wouldn't have to lug an electronic device around.Just two identical boxes.So would be impromptu.
I know some mentalist say nuances in drawings sell an effect.However as I mentioned with the lighthouse,the effect is sold as your going to be bang on.There are times when you will get nuances,but with carefully chosen prompters most are elimanated.Say for instance a light bulb.You draw one that has a filament in and has lines radiating from it, to simulate it lit up.Spectators drawing doesn't.You just say that your not a very good drawer and your drawing looked more like a balloon,and so you added a little detail at the end.I had someone draw a yacht and in the sea they had drawn a shark fin!!I just hummed the jaws theme tune and said I carnt believe you put that in at the end,I nearly burst out laughing when I saw that pop in your mind.Well making up a comprehensive list of 50 plus safe drawings,will try getting them printed.Thanks Drphil and Mr Nardi for your kind words
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The biggest problem as a mentalist using this as a peek is the act of selecting a card, putting the rest in the box and then putting the selected card in the box. As a magician you have the cover of the spectator signing the card, for a DD something like ODDS makes far more sense. So magic in mind rather than spending money getting cards made up you might want to consider ODDS as it is the effect you describe already made up with arguably a better method and very cheaply priced.

There are far more effective ways of getting a p**k for mentalism purposes than the extractor. The PAC stack for example allows the card to be inserted as fairly as extractor but allows an instant p**k of the whole thing and you can place it in the spectators hand and show it cleanly from all angles.

When it comes to card to impossible location there are few better ways of getting the card from point a to point b than the extractor.

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I didn't make it clear in my first post,i apologise I did say write something that can be drawn.Bad grammar I know.I should have put write the name of an object that can easily be drawn.As for odds by Richard osterling I didn't buy it too much card handling.But with the extractor you don't have to handle the cards, or see any of the cards at anytime, until they are supposedly hidden from your view. Or have to put a rubber band around them.I have also been told that I have reinvented the wheel ie odds.My post was an idea for extractor users.I remember seing odds a while back and thought with that You may as well use m....d cards. Using an Extractor elimanates a lot of what spectators may think has happened.That you got a peek or a m....d deck etc.
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I'm not convinced, in fact rather than switch in an extractor I would rather switch in a PAC stack, that way you don't have to remove the card to get the p**k neither are you having to find a justification to either look at the palm of your hand or go back to the pocket to get the p**k. Extractor is great for a playing card thanks to the index at both ends, not so good for a card with a word written on it unless the word is written at both ends which would be strange.

So let's look at how this plays out both ways. Take a card out, put the rest back in the box, now put yours back in the box and the box goes away. At this point you have extracted the card or still need to extract the card and get the p**k.

PAC stack, take one card out, wrap band round the stack, have them insert the card into the stack and the stack is placed face down on the table in full view but you have everything you need already. You never go anywhere near the stack again.

But then if using the PAC stack why have cards with things to draw when you can let them have a completely free choice of drawing?

Nothing wrong with the effect but extractor is neither the best method or the most cost effective. To me it sounds like creating an effect to fit the method rather than coming up with an effect and then figuring out the best method.

Incidentally with ODDS you don't need to handle the cards any more than you would for extractor, the only real difference is where you get the p**k and there are plenty of ways of doing that while leaving everything in the spectators hands. With ODDS you could recreate the exact handling of extractor by simply using a box with a well placed w****w and you'd get a far better p**k.

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I've been using it exactly this way for the last three years.
But I don't recommend it to anyone else.

Let me test it out for another couple decades and I'll let you know how it works out.

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If you already own the Extractor then this is just another way in which you can use the utility . Of course there are several tools you can buy to obtain a p**k some better some worse but why not work out a routine that uses a built in feature of the Extractor.Go back and read the routine of Magc in mind it sounds like he has worked out a clever presintation. I also like putting together effects from what I can put together by myself. It makes it unique and adds to the fun.
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Lots of good ideas and discussion.

The biggest feature of extractor IMO is not the pe*k, it is the amazing steal. If your not stealing that card than you are wasting the horsepower if this incredible device.

There are countless ways to get an imp or p'*ek.

Keep the ideas coming and let Peter keep up the great work.
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You wouldn't have to write the word twice on the card,take for instance windmill.What you would see as you have it printed/ written that way is wi or if the card is oriented the other way, two letter lls.When memorising the words over enforsise the first two and last letters.so when you see wi or ll.You will know what it is.It also self explanatory how do you know if its the end or start.You see the end or the begining of a word.I memorised all the words for ted k most famous invention in twenty minutes using a similar approach.I am being cryptic here as this forum can be easily seen by google and you don't have to be logged in to read it.AS for the systems that you prefer both have far more irrational mechanics.My idea which I gave freely.You don't have too see or touch the prompter cards ever.or put them in a stack,rubber band them turn upside down and write on the bottom card.Anyway I think I have hijacked this thread enough.If anyones interested ill continue this through pm.Usually when I see an idea for an effect I don't like.I just ignore it.
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I was replying above to a post that has now been edited.It said that I would have to write the word twice(For each direction card was oriented in pack) to know where the start or begging of word was.As I say it has been edited since I started to reply.So as the time has passed to edit my above post part if it now seems irrelevant
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