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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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You snipped off the part where I said not to be a lawyer. The Law of the Excluded Middle tells us that exactly one of those propositions is accurate, and it's "I pay taxes." "I pay taxes" doesn't imply "I pay taxes every year" any more than "I eat pizza" implies "I eat pizza every day." I can see why people who say anybody who represent themselves in court has a fool for a lawyer because most people simply don't have the skill and knowledge to argue and litigate like a lawyer. Anyway, I got to get ready for a gig. Y'all take care! Spent too much time debating!
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2013-11-08 21:20, LobowolfXXX wrote: No, not quite. Everything I said was in response to your broader comment "large corporations pay income tax, unlike over 40% of individuals." Most large corporations pay income tax, as do MOST (AFAIK) individuals. What you said did not contradict that, but I think it gave an incorrect impression of the facts to the casual reader. YMMV.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2013-11-08 23:16, balducci wrote: I apologize for putting mistaken words in your mouth.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
No problem. As long as we each ultimately understand one another, that is the main thing.
And FWIW I invest in some large U.S. corporations. I have no problem and no trouble sleeping at night if large U.S. corporations are taxed at a low level off the backs of U.S. citizens, just so long as they pay dividends and their stock's share price is nicely increasing.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2013-11-08 23:07, acesover wrote: Didn't mean to strain your brain. But the post I was referring to was the very last post I made before responding to you. It is just two posts back ON THE SAME PAGE. Don't see how you could miss it unless you just pick out posts to read at random rather than paying attention to the ongoing conversation. (But that would explain your "answer" I guess.) |
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
Bob,
I was curious if you were famaliar with transfer pricing and what do you know about this practice?
"Never fear shadows. They simply mean there is a light shining somewhere nearby." -unknown
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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Didn't mean to strain your brain. But the post I was referring to was the very last post I made before responding to you. It is just two posts back ON THE SAME PAGE. Don't see how you could miss it unless you just pick out posts to read at random rather than paying attention to the ongoing conversation. (But that would explain your "answer" I guess.) Sorry, didn't mean to strain your brain either Bob! I was just curious if you were famaliar with the practice of price transferring is all! I guess some of us non-lawyer types are just beneath you here and aren't worthy of a response. Anyway, you can keep talking to your lawyer buddies and I'll be sure to stick to my "own kind." Thought you might have been actually down to Earth! My bad on that one! I won't make that mistake again in assuming that.
"Never fear shadows. They simply mean there is a light shining somewhere nearby." -unknown
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2013-11-09 00:50, General_Magician wrote: I don't know all that much about it except that is a method used by multi-national corporations to allocate profits and losses to the different countries where they do business. It would seem to allow for some pretty creative accounting to reduce tax liability, simply by attributing profits to countries with the lowest tax rates, and losses to those with the highest. There are innumerable rules and regulations involved and I'm not at all qualified to describe or evaluate them, except to note that it's so complex that I'm sure expert tax accountants and tax attorneys are making a fortune in advisory fees and creative allocation and accounting. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2013-11-09 01:39, General_Magician wrote: What are you talking about? The post you quoted was a reply to acesover, NOT to you. I just finished answering the question you asked to the best of my ability. After I posted it I saw this inexplicable post by you. Note that I even quoted acesover's post as part of my answer. It had nothing whatsoever to do with you. I don't think I deserved your rude response, but I genuinely think you misread my post entirely. |
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
I felt you were ignoring my question which I thought was rude. I know the reply you posted was to acesover. I was being a bit of a smart alek because I felt you were intentionally ignoring me. You hadn't responded to some of my posts in the past, so, I assumed this was just another exacmple of you ignoring my post. Anyway, you seem like you are a good guy, but I feel it's rude when I post something to you and you just ignore it as if I am not worthy of a response. I can only assume you just don't want to be bothered with me and once I see a pattern of this, I will simply just stop responding to some of your posts or asking your views or opinions on something, but not before I fire off a departing shot because I felt you were ignoring some of my posts and was thus offended by it.
"Never fear shadows. They simply mean there is a light shining somewhere nearby." -unknown
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
You asked your question at 12:50 AM and I answered it at 1:57 AM. I don't sit here on NVMS staring at my monitor waiting to immediately answer any questions posed to me. (I occasionally eat, go to the bathroom, watch tv and work on the programs and scripts for the series of shows I'm working on, as well as posting on my own private forum and in the mentalism sections of the Café, which are my primary areas of interest.)
Sorry that my answer wasn't prompt enough for you. And, believe it or not, I don't actually read every post here in NVMS. If you previously asked me a question that I didn't answer, I probably either didn't see it or was involved in something else at the time. Don't take it so personally. I'm a pretty busy guy. |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2013-11-09 00:42, mastermindreader wrote: Yes we sem to notice you do a lot of guessing and assuming. Best at MindVention. Just a tip. Stay away from the Slots.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Thank you. But, not to worry. I don't gamble. My girlfriend handles that end of the spending.
Anyway, believe it or not aces, I'm going to miss you too while I'm gone. I think we secretly enjoy arguing with each other. |
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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You asked your question at 12:50 AM and I answered it at 1:57 AM. I don't sit here on NVMS staring at my monitor waiting to immediately answer any questions posed to me. (I occasionally eat, go to the bathroom, watch tv and work on the programs and scripts for the series of shows I'm working on, as well as posting on my own private forum and in the mentalism sections of the Café, which are my primary areas of interest.) Believe it or not I'm a pretty busy guy too just like you. I don't read every post either, but I do try and read the posts here on the threads I am participating in and give the common courtesy of a response to people who interact with me. My impression at the time was that you were responding in a timely manner in this thread and you would have to be blind not to see my post. So, the only thing I could figure was that you were just ignoring my post. Which was offensive, so I gave a parting shot in return. Now, I don't sit here on the Magic Café all the time, but when I get involved in a discussion I care about, I sometimes will get into the discussion much like anybody does who cares about a discussion that is going on to make my case. That being said, like you, I got others things to do as well, such as a two gigs today. So, I am glad you are busy, but I got a life too and sometimes I get busy as well from time to time. So, I understand. I just thought it was odd that you were responding in a timely manner in this particular thread and yet, you didn't have the time a day to respond to me in a timely manner. I get it though. It's OK. If you think I am a mean, selfish *****, just say so and I won't bother you.
"Never fear shadows. They simply mean there is a light shining somewhere nearby." -unknown
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
This is getting creepy.
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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On 2013-11-09 10:50, mastermindreader wrote: Whoooahhh! Never would have dreamed you would have read into like that Bob! Don't read something that isn't there! I'm not one of "those guys" and I didn't think you were either! Anyway dude, I said my piece so I will stop posting on this thread ASAP! And FAST! Like really FAST!
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2013-11-09 10:13, mastermindreader wrote: Absolutely. Shh, It is our secret.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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RNK Inner circle 7492 Posts |
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On 2013-11-08 15:43, General_Magician wrote: I was very much against the bank bail out. The government should have let them fail. At that point- the banks would have to start over and make things right! This was not the case- the bail out was just a band aid. And if you really think I am for not helping the poor- and have come to this conclusion by using the words "sensing" and "not understand" etc... then you must have trouble with comprehension. Or- you must think you are one of the greatest mind readers out there. I have repeatedly stated how I am against people that USE the system to live off and not try and better themselves. I have repeatedly stated how there are the disabled and others that encounter tough times that NEED our help and am totally for giving them aid and help until they MAKE AN EFFORT to better themselves. Here is my it's not fair: It's not fair when I have to work 40+ hours at my day job, 20+ hours performing and preparing for a performance, my wife has to work full time and still we live paycheck to paycheck and can not put the amount of food on the table a month as someone who is on welfare can. Not just on welfare- but a long time proponent of the system that has made no effort to better themselves and get off of welfare! Which is totally obtainable in America. Now- nowhere in the above statement do I say or elude to the fact that "these darn people on welfare- what losers- they should not be getting assistance because selfish me has to pay for them". And for the poster who was bashing America earlier in the thread- basically stating what makes America so great- only the fact that America is the LARGEST contributor to poverty over the whole world giving over $800 million a year to world poverty! NO other country gives more to world poverty than America! RNK
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2013-11-08 22:53, General_Magician wrote: Hey, GM, I wanted to get back to you on this whole subthread and clarify my position. I think there's a very reasonable debate to be had about the extent to which corporations should be taxed. In one of the links you posted, it lists Google as having an effective tax rate of 22.2%. A lot of people, no doubt, have a big problem with the figure, when there are individuals paying a much higher effective tax rate. The effective tax rate for a single person making $100,000 gets over 21%; I'm sure it's not too much above $100,000 where individuals are paying a higher rate than Google (did that year), and obviously Google makes WAY MORE than $100,000. My problem with your post was only that you way overstated the case. Google makes and shows a lot of income, and they pay a lot of taxes. Billions. But I understand and respect the position that (some people have that) they don't pay enough in taxes based on the profits they make. That's where the real discussion starts, IMO. What *should* they be paying? I don't know, but there are a few factors to consider in support of its rate, if you think it's too low: 1) Google helps the economy and Americans not just by paying income tax, but by providing jobs. 2) Google has a duty to its shareholders to minimize its tax liability by available legal means. When I asked about overpaying your taxes, the example you gave didn't really hit what I was getting at. You talked about something you did to make more profit. Yes, that resulted in higher taxes, but I was talking about paying more taxes than you had to pay based on what you actually did. For instance, if the law allows a $1,000 deduction for something you use in your business, do you ever just claim $500? If you didn't use rental cars and used your own car, would you deduct the 55.5 cents per mile, or would you say to yourself, "My car gets good gas mileage. It really doesn't cost me 55.5 cents to drive a mile. I'll just claim 40 cents per mile, to help the government." Of course not (I expect; maybe I'm wrong!). You do your accounting such that it provides that best bottom-line outcome. So does Google. Of course they do. 3) Corporate shareholders are subject to double taxation. Even after the corporation pays taxes, reducing the companies bottom line (as all taxes do; they're an expense), its shareholders pay taxes on their dividend checks and the gains on any stock they sell. 4) Yes, most of those billions go to very rich people, but there are also many people who AREN'T rich who have money invested in Google, whether individually or in mutual funds. Now, you might think as many people do that those aren't compelling reasons for a company like Google to pay an effective tax rate of 22.2%, and a number of reasons could be enumerated here (and probably soon will be) in support of that position. Even now, Balducci and Landmark are preparing to point out how much of an economic burden Google's offices and employees put on the government through pollution, land use, and things of that nature. The purpose of this post isn't to assert that their tax rate is too high, or even that it's just right. It's mostly to point out that it's not JUST a matter of computing the tax rates and comparing it to individual rates. Corporations bring benefits and burdens that aren't the same as individuals. Respectfully, LW30.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2013-11-11 10:38, RNK wrote: I certainly don't intend or want to argue with you, but your statement about giving seems vague enough to me that it draws comment like flame attracts a moth. How do you mean $800 million to fight world poverty? What is that money being spent on? I mean, India alone is giving $20 billion (Billion) this year to fight poverty by giving free food to hundreds of millions of people. Doesn't that count? http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/09/03/......for-800/ No one doubts that the U.S. gives a lot and in absolute dollars I think the U.S. generally does give more than any other nation, but as a percentage of its wealth / GPD or on a per capita basis the U.S. gives much less than what many other nations do. You can Google that for yourself, but here are a couple of supporting links: http://www.poverty.com/internationalaid.html http://filipspagnoli.wordpress.com/stats......ent-aid/
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