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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Its the hand sticker trainer to the rescue... are you going to tell us sticking a hand or a foot to the ground is the most magical thing you can do to?
If so I think that record needs to be tapped if you ask me.... But we are all entitled to an opinion right? |
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Zerububle Elite user Poole 430 Posts |
Don't forget 'foot lock and name/number amnesia trainer'
Surely we've all heard your dislike for 'simple' hypnotic effects now MP. Oh and btw, I do earn £1000's for this 'easy' stuff. People love it and are more than happy to pay. Just because I don't dress it up as skits on a stage full of chairs doesn't diminish the entertainment value for the audience. And while I'm sure my shlong isn't as big as yours it serves it's purpose well thanks Set 2, MP to serve |
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Zerububle Elite user Poole 430 Posts |
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On 2014-01-04 14:07, mindpunisher wrote: Certainly not! I have great respect for many stage hypnosis shows. The talent involved and the creativity. It's just a shame you're unable to extend the same courtesy to others isn't it. Hand stick etc isn't the MOST magical thing you can do BUT it is magical. The most magical thing you can do it that thing where you take off your own thumb |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
The truth is James I admire magicians and the close up stuff they do. And if they can get mileage out of a hand stick because they are good entertainers I admire that too. I just get irritated when they believe its the be all and end all of hypnosis. And that somehow they are better. They might be good magicians and good entertainers but they aren't really hypnotists.
Anyway you should be loaded all that pick pocketing at this time of year? Im just off out for a few beers so I won't reply.. I hope you had a good xmas and new year! |
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Zerububle Elite user Poole 430 Posts |
enjoy your beer mate. Had a great Xmas and NY as I hope did you. Spar again later?
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Gordon the discombobulator Loyal user 246 Posts |
Sorry everyone. I should have said I do a lot more than just hand sticking.
Name amnesia and other effects are great fun and are part of my style of magic and hypnosis. I also love the gray area between magic and hypnosis. James' Cerebral Steal is one of my favourites. Didn't mean to hijack this thread by the way. Original question was about under 18's. That is the law in the UK. However the 1952 hypnosis act prohibits unlicenced public demonstrations involving 'induced sleep or trance' A hand stick or amnesia can be performed without any 'sleep' command or any trance which is why I keep it simple yet entertaining. |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
I am with MP in that the vast majority of close up hypnotists are boring. But in fairness so are the majority of stage hypnotists.
There are good entertainers working close up I know. But I find it strange that someone would call them self a hypnotic entertainer and doesn't even have enough interest to catch a show.
Check out Tony's new thriller Dead or Alive http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alive-Varrick-Bo......n+carson
http://www.PartyMagic.ie |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
A hypnotist is a hypnotist its just that about 99% of magicians who stick hands to tables are not hypnotists. They are magicians that have dabbled in the craft nothing more. Yet most of them at least on here show no or little respect for those that have been using hypnosis for decades professionally. And by the way my shows always had 10 or more people in the bar area close up at half time all doing different things creating chaos. I usually ended up with hypnosis in the audience not the stage. Try keeping that going for up to two hours or more. Do you honestly think you could get away with these basic phenomena in a show that scale? Or that some how sticking a hand to a table is more magical?
Its a bit like someone buying a brainwave deck then calling themselves a card expert. |
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Gordon the discombobulator Loyal user 246 Posts |
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On 2014-01-04 21:26, TonyB2009 wrote: I have seen one hypnosis stage show for real and viewed several hypnosis stage shows on Youtube. In my opinion they are ALL exactly the same. Some people on chairs up on the stage doing exactly the same things as every other hypnosis stage show. My personal reluctance to see another hypnosis stage show is that I suspect I won't see anything different. The one big exception is Derren who uses hypnosis in many different ways in his stage shows. Yes it is fun for those taking part and for those in the audience who are not aware of the possibilities with hypnosis but I still think that hypnosis for a small group of friends in a pub or party setting leads to more creative possibilities and a more magical experience. The hypnosis in the interval (mentioned above) is much more the style I prefer. I could even do a couple of hours like that, but the walkaround and table hopping format restricts the time I can spend with each group/table. but, like I say, each to their own. There is no right or wrong way to perform using hypnosis. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Yes there is. My way is the right way and everyone else is not only wrong but nuts.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Johannes L. Special user Sweden 692 Posts |
Under the age of 18 you are not under the "age of majority" which makes the law and so forth strike upon the parents rather than the person under the age of 18. If you hypnotize a teenager or child EVEN if they say that you are completely ALLOWED and that they completely are IN on it. Their parents can still press charges - for not accepting it, knowing about it etc.
Now, why would they press charges or whatever just because of hypnosis. Well, even though hypnosis is their own experience which you guide them through and something completely natural they might still blame you. For an example - if you hypnotize someone and everything goes good, you check on them afterwards, you make sure that THEY know they are no longer hypnotized, to get rid of any possible "what if"-scenario in their head they can still blame you if they one week later, two weeks later, one month later gets some kind of outburst of anxiety, depression and so forth. They will link it to the hypnosis and rather seeing it as a nice feeling and/or fun and interesting experience they will think, perhaps this harmed me, changed me? They go to their parents and the parents will of course be angry and perhaps even sue you. Just a reminder that everything can happen and that I personally do not risk it with people under the age of 18 (I have done it before, I don't do it now). - John. Effect: The mentalist memorize any kind of information in less than a second. $5 |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On 2014-01-27 18:07, John Linden wrote: Perhaps in Sweden. But not in Ireland. That is not the legal situation I face, or many of the others here. Each country has its own regulations. Over here we can do what we like, with no regulations whatsoever. So it is down to the hypnotist's common sense.
Check out Tony's new thriller Dead or Alive http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alive-Varrick-Bo......n+carson
http://www.PartyMagic.ie |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On 2014-01-04 23:28, Gordon the discombobulator wrote: I am staggered that you have watched ONE show and some youtube clips, and you can dismiss the whole art. For your information, Derren is not a hypnotist, and what he does is not hypnosis. Though why I am wasting my time telling you is beyond me; you have seen so little that you know it all.
Check out Tony's new thriller Dead or Alive http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alive-Varrick-Bo......n+carson
http://www.PartyMagic.ie |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
This place has become a dumping ground for some very bad information and the perpetuation of some very old ideas. How sad.
It should be called hypnosis as we understood it in the 1920s.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Johannes L. Special user Sweden 692 Posts |
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On 2014-01-27 20:48, TonyB2009 wrote: Really? That sounds odd. I don't remember the law correctly; but I am pretty sure that you are not allowed to perform hypnosis on public spaces in Sweden. Yep, I read that a while ago. That is even more odd. Effect: The mentalist memorize any kind of information in less than a second. $5 |
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newcomer New user 15 Posts |
John. Ireland is a very odd country. Even if it were against the law (and it isn't) nobody would take the blindest bit of notice anyway. Laws in Ireland are more for decoration than anything else. Think of it as a rough guideline rather than anything to be taken too seriously.
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Dead right, Newcomer. We make our own laws and rules, and don't take too much heed of central government. But perhaps we are a more highly evolved race...
Check out Tony's new thriller Dead or Alive http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alive-Varrick-Bo......n+carson
http://www.PartyMagic.ie |
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newcomer New user 15 Posts |
Yes indeed. It takes outsiders quite a bit of time to get used to and seems very odd at first but after a while you shrug your shoulders and begin to realise there is a strange wisdom to the approach.
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quicknotist Special user 888 Posts |
Ireland to Canada? Hmmm
You remind me of someone, Newcomer. A somewhat restrained version of someone, but someone nonetheless. I wonder... |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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On 2014-01-29 13:19, TonyB2009 wrote: Or less evolved! With no rules or laws you don't have civilization....at least not as we know it... |
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