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On 2013-11-20 10:53, Alewishus wrote:
I really don't want to 'bring this up', but...

Regurgitation, don't really care for it.

A.


Haha very nice. I see what you did there. me neither, not my cup of tea.
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My favorite thing was watching his Out Of This World, which blew my wife's mind, and then doing an impromptu one on her (from Longe's Giant Book), and her mind was equally blown.

I liked the card transposition for President Bush even if the cameraman made it a bit too easy to burn. But my wife didn't notice it, so I guess there's that.
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Havent seen it but I've seen clips yesterday of his first special, years after I first saw it and got into magic because of it. Totally agree with the original poster, very well said Smile
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Yup, spitting up water like a fountain won't go over in my gigs. Hmmmm..no wonder I ain't on tv. You do Vodoo....well I performed it way back when......it does have the shock value, fur sure. Gross but it gets em good. I liked the card floating. ? Up to the ceiling...that looked cool. And yes, I'd much rather of seen Tameraze do his thing on the tv but it would not get the same rate-ing.......lay folks would switch channels.......go figure.........Trois
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I enjoyed. The show. Blaine understands his character, and understands magic. His effects are clear and strong,
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I watched the special, and, knowing that he was performing for professional actors, I was divided between believing the reactions were genuine, or pretended.

A good actor can do that, right? ( Convince you they are genuinely feeling something that they are not. )

Harrison Ford was convincing as seeming freaked out, half out of his wits. on the verge of a heart attack.

But the card in the orange was THOUGHT OF. I can only conclude he was in on it. That would pre-suppose an act.
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I don't think Harrison Ford was in on it. There are many think a card forces...
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Be sure to check out 'magic names and the media' forum where there are many more discussions on this. This is one of those cross-over topics. Lynn
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I will go there right now.
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On 2013-11-20 04:00, cap casino wrote:
So what were your guys favorite or least favorite effects in the show?


Favorites --

Out Of This World
Las Vegas Leaper
Triumph

All The Card Stuff
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Agreed it was nice to see him do Las Vegas leaper, And I liked his version of triumph
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Most TV street magic specials are spoiled for me, knowing that there is editing involved. (I can't make myself watch Criss Angel.) However, I take a different stance on Blaine's personality. I think it's genius. Magic works best when you can create a mood of mystery, awe and wonder. What David does is create this with his almost creepy spooky style. I think it works very well for him. Yes, he does some easy, store-bought tricks, but look at the reactions he gets with them. I think it's his personality that sells the magic. For the moment it keeps the spectator from trying to or wanting to figure out how he does the trick. They are captivated.

That said - I think all of us magicians would rather see more difficult and artistic magic without camera tricks/editing. But also, we have benefited from David Blaine in helping spectators to be more open to see our magic.
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I loved the special. I like Blaine's style, no jokes, very deadpan. Simple direct plots.
Here in Taiwan the show won't air for a few years! Anyway, just my opinion.
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I don't have an issue with Blaine or his performance style. It works for him. That's why everybody asks if you can do a David Blaine trick and that's why we're discussing him right now. He's interesting, mysterious and a tad creepy all at once and it sells well. I also enjoyed his version of the Triumph.
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Just enough pre-show work and off-camera moments to really frustrate me.

Is the "triumph" you're referring to the one where the "thought of" card was the only one not upside down in the cellphone picture of the spread? Do you still call that a triumph despite the off-camera moments and the gaffed nature? Honest question. When we say "triumph" is that any flipped over card routine?

The stunts are always the weakest part of his performances.

Not sure about all of the praise for his "Out of this world."
He handed the deck to Jason and asked for him to shuffle.
He dropped the deck and made a mess.

Deck is on the table, assembled, and David tells us the deck was shuffled twice.
Not sure how one could appreciate that.

Also, I've been thinking a lot about Blaine, and I DO believe that his performances have more integrity than CA.
However, I've grown opposed to all of the pre-show work, in whatever form it takes. Seems unfair, seems more like dishonesty than trickery.
Now here's the strange thing. I think it's both beautiful and terrible that we're able to see the effects the way the spectator's remember them. In these performances, we see "my telephone number was upside down in the deck," rather than "he asked my friend my phone number when I went to the bathroom..."

I've always found it funny that spectators re-tell your tricks to be something WAY more than what you actually did. I love it, actually. This pre-show stuff takes me there for a minute. I see the presumed effect, rather than the actual effect. And I hate it and love it.

Has anyone ever used loops the way that he does? Seems like it takes a lot of practice and timing for it to seem convincing and not-obvious. Can anyone provide guidance on this matter? I like the effects. There was some cutting in that segment but I think all of the "touches" were done this way.
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Wishus- HA. good one.
*a slush powder vanish* *point to Blaine for climax*
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barry f. - Yeah great point about the diversity of his audiences. Roaming the streets giving anybody the gift of wonder. From millionaire celebrities to teens in the ghetto. Very Jesus archetype. Miracles / exorcism / communion / love etc. He has a dali / jesus tattoo. Clearly some messiah complex stuff going on. Fascinating.
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Cap casino- I read somewhere (perhaps someone can verify) that the audience or demographic he chooses is targeted due to the expected theatrics in their reaction. Seems to play off of stereotypes (nearly racist). Don't remember how reliable the source was.
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I don't get any toxic vibes in that regard from David.

I think the magic just triggers the right buttons in laypeople and so they react. Also people sometimes see and feel what they expect to see and feel. David's superstar status might help him in this regard.



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Favorite effects-


Really interesting approach to triumph.

Really interesting time misdirection.

Brilliant actually.

Nice fresh / modern / youthful / high tech feel.



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In general it is impressive how he weaves a lot of mentalism principles into his work.

I am not a mentalist but am at this point thinking of getting more into it!


Any mental magic guys out there?

Please chime in.

About books or strategies.
etc.



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What the home audience sees is very carefully edited for max impact.


How much interaction (before / after) what we saw at home do you all think was slashed by the editor?



best,
Cap
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I haven't seen the show yet, but don't get the negative stuff about Blaine. If you thought his presentation was bad, don't copy it. Everyone's will be different anyway. As far as the editing or "I know how he did that!" stuff...you have to remember that the show is not really for you.

I've always loved magic, but only started learning and performing it about six years ago. I used to be "into" it for the "magic," that wonderful feeling of unbelievable things happening in front of me. Now, I get my kicks out of the reactions people have. I know the "magic," so it doesn't get my juices flowing. But seeing a spectator's face make that wonderful transformation to astonishment at the right time...that's why I do magic.

Cris Angel's shows all seem to put himself front and center. They're almost like ads for himself. Blaine focuses on the spectators, and their reactions. So, for me, when I watch his shows, they're great. It's all about the people freaking out! I don't care if I can do the trick or not, or if I "catch him," or if they edit out a part. My "magic" is now the reactions, and Blaine puts that front and center in his shows. I get how it's not for everybody (he is kinda weird...), but for me, it's great. And for the community as a whole, I think it's awesome.

Good posts all, by the way.

Best,
Sam
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I've been starting to read Maximum Entertainment which is such a great book. In the book he makes a very specific point, that people just want to be entertained. They don't care about about your sleights or years of practice. They don't care if you mix magic and mentalism. So I think that is a really valid point. Yes we as magicians know there was more to what they showed. But no it doesn't matter. It's only matters that the people watching were entertained. Which is the exact reason I got into magic into the first place to entertain.
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