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Anatole Inner circle 1912 Posts |
There is a list called "Best Magician of All Time" at
http://www.listnerd.com/list/best-magician-off-all-time that lists 219 magicians. It includes names we would expect like Channing Pollock, Dai Vernon, Jasper Maskelyne, David Copperfield, etc But conspicuous by its absence on the list is the name Cardini... I wonder what criteria the list compiler used. ----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
106. Richard Pitchford
I imagine the criteria is the compiler wrote down all the magicians that he is familiar with.
~michael baker
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magicusb Inner circle 1135 Posts |
Houdini does not even come in on the top 200.
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magicfish Inner circle 7016 Posts |
It's definitely the most inaccurate list of ever seen.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts |
Jerry Sadowitz in the list at 69... some card guys are having fun.
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Anatole Inner circle 1912 Posts |
Odd... I wonder why the compiler used Cardini's real name... It would be like putting "Erich Weiss" instead of "Houdini" or "Harry Bouton" instead of Blackstone or even David Kotkin instead of Copperfield...
Speaking of lists... I started a Café thread back in 2010 suggesting that it would be interesting compile a list of "The 100 Most Influential Magicians of All Time" similar to Michael harts _The 100_ http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&start=0 I would think that a topic like that would also be an interesting program at a magic convention. ----- Sonny
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BigDC New user 19 Posts |
Harry Keller #94, John Nevil Maskelyne #118, Howard Thurston #179, Lance Burton #186, Dai Vernon #189, Harry Houdini #208, Joseph Dunninger #212 all of these greats along with many more listed lower then Chrs Angel!? This is a HUGE insult to these great magicians to be listed LOWER then Chris Angel, as Chris Angel is NOTHING MORE then a JOKE in the magic world. None, I repeat, none of these great magicians should EVER be listed lower then Chris Angel, because THEY ARE NOT. They are ALL MUCH, MUCH, MUCH BETTER then him. Most of these greats should be listed close to the top in my opinion.
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Anatole Inner circle 1912 Posts |
I think it all comes down to who has a better and/or more modern, tech savvy publicist. Twenty-first century electronic media might be largely responsible for Criss Angel rating so highly on the list. It wouldn't surprise me if thanks to one TV broadcast he was seen by more people than Cardini was in his entire lifetime. But I do think Criss Angel would himself humbly acknowledge that Maskelyne, Thurston, Vernon, Cardini, et al are the giants upon whose shoulders he stood to get where he is today.
I think, too, that something Vernon said in an interview I posted on the Café back in 2010 is germaine to this discussion. Roger Sherman had asked Vernon: -----quote----- Sherman: Let me ask you both a question. (Editor's note: Joe Cossari was also present during the interview.) You were both around and you saw some of the greats of the old days. Dr. Jacob Daley and others, for instance. How do you compare them with the new boys in magic today? Were they better, were they worse? Vernon: A fellow like David Roth and Mike Skinner and especially Steve Freeman from Oklahoma... I've said in print many times--Nelson Downs and Allan Shaw and Manuel--three great coin manipulators--would turn over in their graves if they saw David Roth. They couldn't even compare. BUT--as far as showmanship goes--The new guys don't even compare with the old timers. But in ability, in method, in skill--They're so far advanced, some of these young fellows today! But in showmanship!?! Tommy Downs could get out in the middle of a three ring circus with three matches and hold that crowd spellbound with showmanship... Colonel Cody said Nelson Downs was the greatest living showman he'd ever seen. He could take any little thing, take a coin and hold it up and everyone would watch him. He commanded attention. So you see, the old-timers all had showmanship. -----unquote----- Retrieved November 27, 2013 from http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......um=134&0 ----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
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Jiceh Special user France 742 Posts |
What a curioius list!
The order puzzles me... In my list (no particular order) : Dai Vernon, Max Malini, T Nelson Downs, Hofzinser, J-E Robert-Houdin, Nate Leipzig, Tommy Wonder, Juan Tamariz, David Roth, Buatier de Kolta, D Copperfield, Jacques Delord, Houdini, D. Ortiz ... and a lot of more |
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magicfish Inner circle 7016 Posts |
Its obviously a nonsense list. I wouldnt get too perturbed about it.
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Anatole Inner circle 1912 Posts |
I agree that the list is nothing to get perturbed about. But it's interesting sometimes to see what people (both in and outside the profession) think of some of the great magicians of the past and present.
Personally, I would have put Del Ray somewhere near the top of the list. ----- Sonny
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Jiceh Special user France 742 Posts |
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On 2013-11-27 10:13, Anatole wrote: Good idea Del Ray and Jimmy Grippo (I don't know why but I often associate them) |
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
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On 2013-11-27 13:36, Jiceh wrote: Throw in Tony Giorgio, and you'd have a good start on the cast for a great mob movie.
~michael baker
The Magic Company |
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Andrew Immerman Regular user California 108 Posts |
Some 19th century favorites: Jean Eugene Robert-Houdin, Johann Nepomuk Hofzinser, John Nevil Maskelyne, and Georges Melies.
Some 20th'ish century favorites: Dai Vernon, Cardini, Channing Pollock, Rene Lavand, Alex Elmsley, Derek Dingle, Ricky Jay, Stephen Minch, Paul Harris, Daryl Martinez, and Derren Brown. Some 21st'ish century favorites: Woody Aragon, Dani DaOrtiz, Helder Guimaraes, Kostya Kimlat, Shoot Ogawa, and Ponta the Smith. These lists are far from complete (and exclude friends). :p Andrew |
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leonardo_t New user 9 Posts |
I do not think that Criss Angel should as high as he is on the list, especially above some of the other and greater magicians who are lower than him.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
None of you have mentioned he best all-arounds, FRED KAPS, and ROCCO.
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george1953 Inner circle Mallorca (Spain) 5943 Posts |
Kaps was fabulous, I remember watching in awe as he did his dancing cork routine, must have been nearly 40 years ago now, a wonderful person as well.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
All around? I think Johnny Thompson deserves a mention.
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Rainboguy Inner circle 1915 Posts |
I'm with landmark.....Johnny Thompson should MOST DEFINITELY be on the list...and three more magicians who are missing from the list, at least in my opinion, are Bro. John Hamman, Matt Schulien nd Neil Foster.
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jcss New user 97 Posts |
I love Lance Burton...
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