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Yes, that is a classic quote. I think there are two camps of non-believers: 1) Those who don't believe to be stubborn, 2) Those who don't believe due to lack of proof.

If the audience is filled with the type 1, then you are right...there is no hope. But if those 10 audience members are type 2, well then...a little proof will go a long way.

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On 2013-12-11 16:49, insight wrote:
There is a simple way to solve this problem. If he has 10 audience members, why not hypnotize all of them and provide them with a video? This is concrete proof...no audience member will think that they were themselves a stooge---problem solved...right?

Regards,
Mike


Unfortunately not. This is about belief, not proof. As Dunninger used to say, "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is enough."
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Sounds to me like it just might be easier to make a new friend.
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[quote]On 2013-12-12 14:10, insight wrote:

If the audience is filled with the type 1, then you are right...there is no hope. But if those 10 audience members are type 2, well then...a little proof will go a long way.

Regards,
Mike
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Possibly, Mike. My question, however, is WHY would you want to spend all that time on an audience to MAYBE convince a small proportion of people? Is it worth that much to you? If so, then it's not really about convincing someone else, it's more about "proving" that you're right.
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Mark Lewis always said "a person convinced against their will is of the same opinion still. "

While I hate to agree with the dude and it causes physical pain to type the words...he is right.
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Danny's suggestion that it might be easier to make a new friend seems like the best suggestion in the whole thread. If this is upsetting you emotionally then you really need to look within. You are being reactive rather than proactive. You are letting other people push your buttons. There are just some things in life that are out of your control. Someone can only make you feel bad if you give them permission.

Maybe its worth looking into the reasons why its so important for you to change someone else's view? Why bother? Who cares? Find people who are like minded and hang out with them instead.

By the way you wouldn't want to hang out with Mark Lewis with regards to this subject..
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You got into an argument about it? Why exactly?


Oh I don't know, maybe trying to defend his friend who was being labelled a cheat and a fraud. I mean we are supposed to stick by our friends aren't we?
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If I recall correctly I believe David Berglas talked about his experience with hypnotism in one of the DVDs included with his book. He talks about it having some negative side effects on some people and decided that he should stop doing it. I would say that if something had a lasting impact on a person then it certainly was real. I, however, have never studied the craft myself. So I know very little about it.
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I can't belive this thread has continued on his long. Do you feel you have to convince every skeptic or non-believer? Your performance should do the talking for you. Every show I (and all of us do) there are many non-believers and skeptics. You simply do a great show where they see the process before you eyes, and most will change their perceptions. If not, no big deal, it's not your job to make them do or believe anything.

This is also why you do attempt hypnosis or theory with family and friends.
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Mark Lewis always said "a person convinced against their will is of the same opinion still. "

While I hate to agree with the dude and it causes physical pain to type the words...he is right.


Then I'll save you the pain. That quote has been attributed to Benjamin Franklin and later, to Dale Carnegie. An earlier version, "He that complies against his will, Is of the same opinion still" comes from Samuel Butler (1612-1660).

All three of whom were notably better performers than ML.
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Paul;

Impress your friend with one of these, buy one and perform it on him

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/3652
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I've used one of those and it was a lot of fun!

A couple of problems, if you'll forgive me for being serious:
It produces what is obviously an optical illusion/anomaly which has nothing to do with hypnosis.
It doesn't work for everybody, so we're back to square one.


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Paul;

Impress your friend with one of these, buy one and perform it on him

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/3652


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Personally I could care less. I think I was about two years into my career when I realised I was not there to prove hypnosis to those who don't believe, but to use it with those who do and then let the rest make their minds up and think whatever. I haven't read any of the other posts here, these are just my thoughts.
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Paul;

Impress your friend with one of these, buy one and perform it on him

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/3652




On 2013-12-15 05:23, quicknotist wrote:
I've used one of those and it was a lot of fun!

A couple of problems, if you'll forgive me for being serious:
It produces what is obviously an optical illusion/anomaly which has nothing to do with hypnosis.
It doesn't work for everybody, so we're back to square one.




I forgive you for being serious, but don't let it happen again; and to answer your serious question,

The Shrinking and Growing Head Illusion is a magic trick; hypnosis, or an optical illusion only makes a difference to us.

I don't think the audience knows the difference as long as they are entertained

That being said and off topic from the original post, to get back on topic, Hypnosis is real and that people can be manipulated by being hypnotized
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Thanks to everyone for sharing their views here (and those of you who have PM'd me as well). This is a really fascinating forum and it's great to hear views of hypnotists with a lot of experience in the field. I know it is a banned topic here about whether hypnosis is real/fake etc. However, I did wonder, purely out of curiosity, what would "convince" someone (something they would consider "proof") that hypnosis was real? Would it be something as simple as having someone forget the number 3 and then count 6 fingers on their right hand? Or have them forget their name? Or perhaps have people see things that aren't there (and vice versa). If people say that something isn't real surely they must have some idea what would convince them to change their mind? I'm not getting into the real/fake argument - just asking what phenomenon would people consider valid proof.
Hypnosis - it's all in the imagination...
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Obviously nothing will convince you it is not real. What makes you think they are any less resolute in their belief?
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Hi Danny, Not sure I understand your logic. I gave a few examples of possible proof and was wondering what people would be expecting to convince them either way. I'd say that not being able to count or remember your name were at the very least indicative that some sort of process was at work. As far as I can make out "they" would say that people are lying and can really count or remember their name and are just "pretending" or "playing along".
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First off why bother?

Second of all it will never convince them. NEVER.

So why bother?

What is obvious to one is a load of crap to another. Which brings me to the final point. Why bother?
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Hi Danny, I see you are of the opinion that some people can never be convinced and will never change their mind. I was just wondering what "proof" they would expect to see which they haven't yet seen. I was interested to hear from anyone who'd be honest enough to admit what sort of demonstration or phenomena would at the very least make them question their original opinion.
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Look at how invested you are in this opinion. Then tell me you think someone will change.
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I read the OP story and some of the shorter responses. I agree that it is pointless waiting and wanting to debate. It seems like right now you are a Bible pusher and he is an Atheist. If he is a good friend then you will be able to agree to disagree. But if the remarks that he makes about hypnotism and they bother you that much let him know. And if he keeps doing it after you ask him to stop, he isn't a very good friend. You can always make new and better business contacts, it seems like you are afraid of hurting his feelings because he will take it personally and not do business with you. Kind of seems like an a hole to me. Personally if someone was making me this mad to make a thread on the Café I wouldn't deal with them. Like I said, there is more business contacts out there and if you lose this one it won't be the end of the world. Seems like a silly thing though to argue about. I think you know what you should do or what your gut is telling you to do.

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Andy
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