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I thought nepotism was a great American tradition.
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On 2013-12-13 14:11, Slide wrote:
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I can't believe you people haven't been threatened with a whipping and understand how easy it is to get answers."

Off topic but: I never has threatened with a beating from a hickory stick from my parents and I certainly never threatened my kids. I would hope that any parent that threatened their children with a beating from a hickory stick would be arrested and the key thrown away.


Maybe that's your problem Slide. Smile

Slide, I've never had a beaten either, but my parents did keep us in line and there is no question in my mind that had I needed it they would have spanked me. Spanked me hard and I mean real hard. I had no problem with those rules and even today, I appreciate how they handled things. That was the normal way to do things back then.

But yes times are different now and we have learned over time there are better ways. And for the record, I never spanked my kids, and would never spank one now.

Still, sometimes I do wonder if going back to the old ways might not be a bad idea for some.

No I'm not suggesting people should beat their kids, I'm simply saying some people today needs the crap beat out of them. Smile

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When I was a kid and behaved really badly, my father beat me severely with a leather whip. And at my school, in the 50's and 60's we had corporal punishment. So teachers used to smack our behinds with anything from a rope to a tree twig, to a real cane. Since I was always a rebel and liked to push the limits, I was punished in this way by my teachers on an almost daily basis. For really serious transgressions, students were sent to the principal's office to receive "six of the best" from his choice of several bamboo canes.

And look how I turned out! LOL.
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Among those most offended that the interpreter got there based on nepotism, friendships or family connections were Raul Castro, Crown Prince Naruhito, Hamid Karzai, George Bush, King Phillipe, Queen Rania, Prince Moulay Rachid, Sonjia Ghandi, Crown Prince Haakon, Prince Felipe and Princess Victoria.

Kim Jung-un would have been there but he was busy eradicating nepotism at home.
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Among those most offended that the interpreter got there based on nepotism, friendships or family connections were Raul Castro, Crown Prince Naruhito, Hamid Karzai, George Bush, King Phillipe, Queen Rania, Prince Moulay Rachid, Sonjia Ghandi, Crown Prince Haakon, Prince Felipe and Princess Victoria.

Kim Jung-un would have been there but he was busy eradicating nepotism at home.


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We never had corporal punishment. Always by someone who had acheived the rank of sergeant or higher.
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Smile

I had 12 strokes of the birch more than half century ago - like you see in IF - but it's something you never forget.
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Arthur, that reminds me of the one time I went to the school office. I must of been about 8 or 9 years old. The principle opened a filing cabinet and pulled out his huge paddle. That thing felt like it weighed 20 pounds. He had me hold it, feel it, and imagine how bad it was going to hurt. He explained in detail why he had drilled holes in it. Then he gave me one more chance and that was all I needed. I was out of there and never went back. Smile

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My 6th grade teacher called his "The Brown Hornet" and after a person got stung by it they had to sign it. It was covered with so many names they were written on top of each other. He kept it hanging on the wall near his desk. The punished one had to pray for God's forgiveness afterward too.

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I thought nepotism was a great American tradition.


Is that a code word for covering up child abuse within ones own family?
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I thought nepotism was a great American tradition.


Is that a code word for covering up child abuse within ones own family?


Pardon me, but would you mind explaining whatever it is you mean by that? That's got to be one of the strangest responses I've seen from you.
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Nepotism: Originally, privileges granted to a pope's "nephew" which was a euphemism for his natural son.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nepotism+?s=t


I can't see any resemblance, can you?
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No. Simply because that's not what the word means today. And besides, in the old meaning, it was not a euphemism for child abuse.

Quite the opposite, actually.
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Actually I was not adressing your question Bob. Jon is not my name and Jon can answer for himself.

I guess I could take a guess at what Jon means though, and don't know what Jon means, but just to take a guess, I would say Jon means it to be taken as a joke.
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I wonder if it would have bothered Nelson Mandela. He seemed to have a sense of humor and didn't take himself seriously.


That's true. He'd probably get a big kick out of that idiot up there screwing with all those stupid deaf people.


Do you reckon that his plan was 'screwing with all those stupid deaf people?' And I hope that Mandela would laugh at the absurdity of it.
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If Obama had spoke metaphorically would they have needed someone to do sign language?
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As I anticipated, Saturday Night Live had a field day with this last night. (The interpreter did some interesting dancing as well.)

http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/12/15/obam......-on-snl/

It was really pretty funny.
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Saw it today ... really funny!

Here's a satirical article about the whole sorry affair:

FUNERAL SPICE

Relish the accidental comedy in a humorless world. By Mark Steyn.


"I don’t want to be emotional but this is one of the greatest moments of my life,” declared Nelson Mandela upon meeting the Spice Girls in 1997. So I like to think he would have appreciated the livelier aspects of his funeral observances. The Prince of Wales, who was also present on that occasion in Johannesburg, agreed with Mandela on the significance of their summit with the girls: “It is the second-greatest moment in my life,” he said. “The greatest was when I met them the first time.” His Royal Highness and at least two Spice Girls (reports are unclear) attended this week’s service in Soweto, and I’m sure it was at least the third-greatest moment in all of their lives. Don’t ask me where the other Spice Girls were. It is a melancholy reflection that the Spice Girls’ delegation was half the size of Canada’s, which flew in no fewer than four Canadian prime ministers, which is rather more Canadian prime ministers than one normally needs to make the party go with a swing.

But the star of the show was undoubtedly Thamsanqa Jantjie, the sign-language interpreter who stood alongside the world’s leaders and translated their eulogies for the deaf. Unfortunately, he translated them into total gibberish, reduced by the time of President Obama’s appearance to making random hand gestures, as who has not felt the urge to do during the great man’s speeches. Mr. Jantjie has now pleaded in mitigation that he was having a sudden hallucination because he is a violent schizophrenic. It has not been established whether he is, in fact, a violent schizophrenic, or, as with his claim to be a sign-language interpreter, merely purporting to be one. Asked how often he has been violent, he replied, somewhat cryptically, “A lot.”

Still, South African officials are furiously pointing fingers (appropriately enough) to account for how he wound up onstage. “I do not think he was just picked up off the street. He was from a school for the deaf,” Hendrietta Bogopane-Zulu, the Deputy Minister for Persons with Disability, assured the press. But the Deaf Federation of South Africa said it had previously complained about his nonsensical signing after an event last year. Mr. Jantjie was paid a grand total of $85 for his simultaneous translation of the speeches of the U.N. secretary-general, six presidents, the head of the African Union, and a dozen other dignitaries. Ms. Bogopane-Zulu notes that the going rate for signing in South Africa is $125 to $165. So she thinks a junior official may simply have awarded the contract to the lowest bid.

That would never happen in Washington, of course. But how heartening, as one watches the viral video of Obama droning on while a mere foot and a half away Mr. Jantjie rubs his belly and tickles his ear, to think that the White House’s usual money-no-object security operation went to the trouble of flying in Air Force One, plus the “decoy” Air Force One, plus support aircraft, plus the 120-vehicle motorcade or whatever it’s up to by now, plus a bazillion Secret Service agents with reflector shades and telephone wire dangling from their ears, to shepherd POTUS into the secured venue and then stand him onstage next to an $85-a-day violent schizophrenic. In the movie version—In the Sign of Fire—grizzled maverick Clint Eastwood will be the only guy to figure it out at the last minute and hurl himself at John Malkovich, as they roll into the orchestra pit with Malkovich furiously signing “Ow!” and “Eek!” But in real life I expect they’ll just double the motorcade to 240 vehicles and order up even more expensive reflector shades.

Also pondering security issues was Archbishop Desmond Tutu. He returned home from the service to find that, while he’d been out hailing Mandela as the father of the new South Africa, his house had been burgled. One suspects that Mr. Mandela, for whom a little of the garrulous archbishop went an awful long way, would have enjoyed this rather more than he ought. Speaking of enjoying themselves, back in the VIP seats President Obama, Danish prime minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt, and British prime minister David Cameron carried on like Harry, Hermione, and Ron snogging in the back row during the Hogwarts Quidditch Cup presentation. As the three leaders demonstrated their hands-on approach, Michelle Obama glowered straight ahead, as stony and merciless as the 15-foot statue of apartheid architect Dr. Hendrik Verwoerd that once stood guard outside the government offices of the Orange Free State. Eventually, weary of the trilateral smooching, the first lady switched seats and inserted herself between Barack and the vivacious Helle. How poignant that, on a day to celebrate the post-racial South Africa, the handsome young black man should have to be forcibly segregated from the cool Aryan blonde. For all the progress, as Obama himself pointed out, “our work is not yet done.”

Amidst all the jollity, one man was taking things awfully seriously. Ted Cruz ducked out of the service when Raúl Castro rose to speak. I confess I’m not quite sure about the etiquette of walking out during a funeral. Unlike Senator Cruz, whom I doubt Mandela had even heard of, the Castros were old friends. It seems a little churlish to show up at the funeral of a longtime Communist and complain that they’ve booked the president of Cuba. It would be like attending Obama’s funeral and complaining that the Reverend Jeremiah Wright is officiating and Bill Ayers is singing “How Great Thou Art.” Surely Cruz could have done what Obama and Cameron did during the longueurs and found a Scandinavian prime minister to make out with.

Alas, far from the face-pulling selfies, Mandela jokes are no laughing matter. Simon Amstell (who appears to be a comedian in the same sense that Thamsanqa Jantjie is a sign-language interpreter) visited BBC Radio and quipped that “it’s so white in here Mandela would not approve.” Shortly thereafter, the host apologized on air lest anyone was offended. Which they were, because Mr. Amstell himself subsequently apologized on Twitter. Neil Phillips did not get off so lightly. During the final stages of the African leader’s slowly deteriorating health, Mr. Phillips, who runs the Crumbs sandwich shop in the English town of Rugeley, had gone online and complained: “My PC takes so long to shut down I’ve decided to call it Nelson Mandela.” The Staffordshire constabulary arrested him, seized his computers, and in the course of an eight-hour detention fingerprinted and DNA-swabbed him.

“There are no jokes in Islam,” Ayatollah Khomeini sternly warned, and that’s true even for its “moderate” redoubts, where Shez Cassim, a U.S. citizen from Minnesota, has languished in a Dubai jail cell since April for making a video mildly parodic of United Arab Emirates youth. But, as Mr. Phillips discovered, there are fewer jokes outside Islam, too. Once upon a time, it was Communist Eastern Europe that policed gags, as captured in Milan Kundera’s first great novel. Now even in free societies an infelicitous jest can lead to a rap sheet. In such a world, we should treasure the hilarity of the Mandela service. “Nelson Mandela stood for freedom,” his successor Jacob Zuma said. “He wanted everyone to be free.” Unfortunately, some of the crowd booed Zuma, so he’s now having them investigated for embarrassing him.

Still, let’s take him at his word: Mandela wanted everyone to be free. Free to sign-translate the U.N. secretary-general’s speech into total codswallop. Free to cop a feel from the Danish prime minister. And free, for all the loftiness of the forgettable rhetoric, to relish the low comedy all around it.
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Either he has an accent in his sign language or he is
The signals coach for the Houston Texans.
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Thank you, Arthur- great read!
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The now infamous sign language interpreter has been admitted to psychiatric hospital:

http://www.enca.com/south-africa/interpr......hospital
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