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Christopher Moro Special user 793 Posts |
One of my three cups has a strange streaking on it that was present since I received them new 6 months ago (but was nearly invisible in polished state) and started to become very apparent as they darkened. As the patina increased, so did the visibility of it. I attached a picture of the cup (left) compared to one of the normal ones (right). The lighter areas have a "drier" "duller" feeling to them when handled.
I have re-polished three times with Brasso and degreased with Dawn, but the problem is still present. Brett Sherwood hasn't seen this before and suggested going to a metal polisher for help, but I also thought someone here might have some experience/thoughts/advice. |
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Christopher Moro Special user 793 Posts |
Attachment didn't go through. Let's try again. It's so small it may be hard to see, but it's very apparent in person from a distance in low light.
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BeThePlunk Special user West of Boston, East of Eden 887 Posts |
As I understand the sharing of pictures, you have to place them in a site such as Photo Bucket, then post the link for us to follow.
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Christopher Moro Special user 793 Posts |
Thanks, BeThePlunk. I appreciate that. I don't have that set up yet, but I suppose for the time being, the description may suffice. Anyone?
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TKF New user 62 Posts |
I think this is one of those instances, where an image is worth thousands of words...
Although, I believe I have/am experiencing something similar with a set of copper cups I just recieved... May I take a guess and ask, is it a combo set? I will try and get a picture of the cup "darkened" streaks that are on the saddle of one of my cups, if it might help for comparison.. I too am trying to determine what caused this oddity on one the cups. (The ones I speak of are not B.S cups, but oddly enough, have a set of B.S coppers on the way for a self-xmas-gift...) |
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Christopher Moro Special user 793 Posts |
Interesting. I'll see what I can do about getting a photo shared here shortly.
To answer your question, it's a straight set, not a combo. |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
I'm not sure what causes this, but I think it may have to do with some oil or what have you that is on the surface of the cups in question, causing the metal to patinize unevenly.
Clean them with a good copper cleaner, then wash them with detergent. Look closely at the surfaces to see if there is any discoloration. I've seen cups that were heated to high temperatures do things like this.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Christopher Moro Special user 793 Posts |
The Always-Helpful, Bill Palmer! Thank you, sir Do you recommend something better than Brasso followed by Dawn? That's what I used three times to no avail. Maybe you have a better solution... although you know I'm terrified of Tarn-X
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BeThePlunk Special user West of Boston, East of Eden 887 Posts |
Donnie put me on to Nevr-Dull. It's an impregnated cotton batting that you can use to scrub the cups. Find it in the local hardware store. Let the cups sit for a bit, then wash. Does a good job on copper.
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BCS Inner circle 1083 Posts |
Christopher,
The Cups look great as they are... one of the better sets of engraved Cups that I have seen. I have an old set of Charlie Miller Cups either the same dark blocked... The blocked give them character. Try some Wrights Copper Cream...easy to use and leaves no likely oily or waxy residue. |
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BCS Inner circle 1083 Posts |
Sorry for the missed spelled words above... Darn handheld devise... Small buttons big fingers... Lol
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Christopher Moro Special user 793 Posts |
Hi, Bruce. Thank you very much. Donnie Buckely suggests the copper cream as well. I couldn't find it in store in my area (if you can believe that!), so I'll check online. BTW, I loved your "Instant Patina" tutorial and the most recent patina you see on my cups was evened out by your Palmolive treatment. It took me 6 or 7 times to get them there, but they really turned out nice (except for this one offending cup). Thank you for sharing that with everyone.
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BCS Inner circle 1083 Posts |
Christopher,
Cool... Ian glad the Instant Patina method has worked for you. I have used that method on many sets of Cups. It is amazing the different results I have achieve. I have also tried the oven method with very mixed results... Some good some bad. Again I really like the look of what you achieved, One day hope to have a set just like yours. Bruce |
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Christopher Moro Special user 793 Posts |
I'm actually afraid to use the oven method on Sherwoods. But I think the Instant Patina is a great safe way to do it, after all, how can soap harm your cups, you know?
It took years before I could purchase these Sherwoods. But I don't regret it. Ignore the great looks and go on functionality alone and these things are amazing. Hopefully I can resolve this streaking thing. It looks very pronounced in person, even from a distance in dim lighting. |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
There are several brass cleaners that are better than Brasso.
Flitz is good. So is Simichrome. Ditto Nev-R-Dull.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Christopher Moro Special user 793 Posts |
1 1/2 years later (sometimes it takes that long for new patina to develop) and the streaks persist. This time I barely used the Palmolive Dish Soap and let the patina form a bit more naturally. I just made sure to wash the cups with Dawn on occasion, as per Bill's recommendation for even patina (found elsewhere on this forum).
I reached out to Brett again and he has never seen this on his cups before and recommends using a strong, chemical metal stripper/thinner, perhaps from an automotive store. Does anyone have any recommendations on a product? The people at at two automotive shops here seem very clueless and disinterested. http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae235......x0zr.jpg |
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wwhokie1 Special user 512 Posts |
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On Dec 13, 2013, BCS wrote: I would agree with this comment. I think the cups in the above pictures look great. I don't find it objectionable, fromt he pictures I would say it just gives them character. I would leave them as they are before I did anything drastic to address the issue. I guess it depends on what you like. |
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BCS Inner circle 1083 Posts |
Christopher... unless the color really upsets you, leave them as they are. Your set is one of the best looking sets of Cups that I have seen.
The stuff available from a auto motive store is called Aircraft Remover... Most carry the Rust-Olium brand. It is strong nasty stuff. It will generally strip anything off of metal.... Think carefully before you use it. Good luck, Bruce |
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Christopher Moro Special user 793 Posts |
Thanks guys. Yes, I had left them as is for a while, but when the streaking got weirder, it made them look dirty too. But what you're saying is actually what I was afraid of: ruining them by trying to fix it. I'll have to give this some thought.
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