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Dannydoyle
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On 2013-12-12 10:17, General_Magician wrote:
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On 2013-12-11 23:42, mastermindreader wrote:
Limbaugh and Glenn Beck are in a great rage over this and claim that the Pope is an anti-American Marxist. (See what happens when you advocate for the poor and the disenfranchised? Wait 'til they find out what Jesus preached!)

I'm thinking they were secretly pulling for Miley.


Wait a second, doesn't Limbaugh and Glenn Beck know that Marxism advocates atheism! Surely, a Pope wouldn't advocate atheism would he? Otherwise, he wouldn't be a Pope then! It's impossible that he would be a "Marxist." Folks like Limbaugh and Glenn Beck seem to be crazy people that just come out of left field somewhere. Strange weird people they are to call a religious Pope an atheistic "Marxist."


This has become an annoying little trend here on the Café'. Try to parse one word someone says and make more hem wrong and forget the rest.

I have no idea what either of them said but to cling to strict definitions and apply them is desperate. Why not someone post what those two fools ACTUALLY SAID in context?

My guess is that this Popes mention of how capitalism works was what they spoke of. But if anyone wants to bash them for it why not post it in context?
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The issue of Marxism and Roman Catholicism is interesting and complex. "Liberation Theology" began as serious movement in Latin America in the 1970s. Many influential Latin priests, theologians and politicians embraced the Marxist critique of capitalist exploitation of the poor with Scriptural and traditional Christian directives to honor and support the poorest members of society.

Such a movement would be obviously controversial, especially in the wealthier capitalist nations. But it is a deep and fascinating movement, still alive today.

Liberation theology poses very important challenges to Christianity. It is naïve to dismiss it with name calling.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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On 2013-12-12 10:17, General_Magician wrote:
... Folks like Limbaugh and Glenn Beck seem to be crazy people that just come out of left field somewhere.


Right field, actually.

Couldn't resist. Smile


Boy- should probably shift to the left with such stand up guys such as the vulgar and demeaning Bill Maher who represents the Left. Yea- these are the kind of people I want to be associated with.

Sorry- I couldn't resist either Smile

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Except my line was funnier because I stuck with the baseball metaphor.

But keep trying.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post......francis/
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Why is wanting to do anything for the poor now demonised?

There is nothing Marxist about wanting to help the less privileged.

Every Marxist regime we've ever seen was more about enriching the leaders than helping the poor.

It is a human failing, not a partisan one, that in every society there are those without empathy for other people who just want to pig out as much as possible without a care in the world for how they get to do that, and what the cost to other people is.

Thankfully modern democracy has evolved to somewhat curb that excess.

But we seem to moving back to the thinking of the English round the time of the Irish Potato Famine.

The very people whose plundering of Ireland led to the famine, then resisted attempts to help the Irish because of the fear that if fed they would breed like rabbits and become a bigger burden.
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I am tired of people of great wealth and I am talking about more than they could spend in 50 lifetimes, telling me how much they care for the poor.

Actions not words.
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Didn't know Destiny was that wealthy. Destiny, can you lend me a tenner 'til Friday?
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Every regime we've ever seen was more about enriching the leaders than helping the poor.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

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Agreed Tommy.

Landmark certainly - please send me your banking details and I will forward you not only the tenner but also for safekeeping, the millions my late husband the Deputy Vice Oil Minister Minister of Nigeria left me.
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Pope Francis spoke about the allegations that he's a Marxist:

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In a new interview with the Italian newspaper La Stampa, Pope Francis responded to allegations that he is a Marxist, after he recently criticized 'unfettered capitalism.'

The Pope told La Stampa that “Marxist ideology is wrong. But I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people, so I don’t feel offended ... there is nothing in the exhortation that cannot be found in the social doctrine of the church.”

He was referring to an apostolic exhortation from November, in which he wrote, "As long as the problems of the poor are not radically resolved by rejecting the absolute autonomy of markets and financial speculation and by attacking the structural causes of inequality, no solution will be found for the world's problems or, for that matter, to any problems."

Another passage read, ""Just as the commandment 'Thou shalt not kill' sets a clear limit in order to safeguard the value of human life, today we also have to say 'thou shalt not' to an economy of exclusion and inequality. Such an economy kills."

The Pope's words received harsh criticism from American conservatives, including Rush Limbaugh, who told his audience that ""this is just pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the pope. Unfettered capitalism? That doesn't exist anywhere. Unfettered capitalism is a liberal socialist phrase to describe the United States. Unfettered, unregulated."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/14......229.html

Obviously, Limbaugh doesn't know what socialism is either.
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