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I like this and it is perfect for my set of Ink Blot cards.

The Alchemist Bane cards will also work nicely,
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Spooky, Dr! I had your beautiful inkblot cards my hands a couple of hours ago and was thinking the same thing.
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Made a post but decided to remove it and send a PM instead.
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I am not usually keen on ESP card tests, but the cleaness of this one got my attention, very nice.
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I like it a lot as it's usable as mentioned with many types of cards.
I thought the presentation was done to demo as a more impromptu / casual discussion of esp etc versus true clinical test conditions - there is some lingo that might be explained further to the average joe re: what double blind means etc - but since patrick and Ben know each other, likely they have a lot of background shared understanding of their com style that impacts the presentation - and I thought this was just for fun to give flavour for us, not a fully full tilt boogie version in the field....

I think to Iain's point - it's just personal presentation style - I can see this easily being suped-duped up into "test conditions" hard science style approach - but I don't think that was the intent of this presentation - which is more a discussion around such concepts etc

As for the "feel its different" one could just chop that and go on with the spiel "just let yourself choose x cards - based on some sort of feeling (patrick then describes this) - don't try to guess if it's red or a symbol - don't overthink..."

(Aside - reminds me of baltar in battlestar Galactica being told "just choose something on the map of the Cylon base to blow up - god will guide you" - hmmmm this can be presented in many ways.... (Patrick, work on having a hot blonde that can only be seen by the participant guiding his choices.... Hmmm yeah, don't worry - I think ill work on that!!!! Tarot cards here we come))...

Thanks for sharing, patrick!!!!
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My point was that half the sell (at least half!) its about the presentation...especially when its quite a process based "thing"...i buy stuff because I either enjoyed the presentation and don't care about the method, or I wanna know the secret cos I have a presentation in mind...

in this case, I found the procedure very dry, and as the presentation was also the same (though friendly) it was more of a show and tell than a proper presentation really...and its not to be taken as a criticism or anything bad per se, just saying that as there was quite a lot of "do this..now do that...i'm now going to put these under the table..." and so on - I would be sold more on it if the presentation did 'something else' to make it more interesting...

please read all of the above in a good natured, non-confrontational tone!
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My point was that half the sell (at least half!) its about the presentation...especially when its quite a process based "thing"...i buy stuff because I either enjoyed the presentation and don't care about the method, or I wanna know the secret cos I have a presentation in mind...

in this case, I found the procedure very dry, and as the presentation was also the same (though friendly) it was more of a show and tell than a proper presentation really...and its not to be taken as a criticism or anything bad per se, just saying that as there was quite a lot of "do this..now do that...i'm now going to put these under the table..." and so on - I would be sold more on it if the presentation did 'something else' to make it more interesting...

please read all of the above in a good natured, non-confrontational tone!


? I didn't think there was any confrontation? Just different pov on the performance? I buy for methods (including presentation methods) in these cases - so perhaps that is why I posted the way I did above (which I thought was not confrontational???'!!!!) - as I am going to spin it into something supernatural or psychosis related anyway. I thought I guess wrongly I was also supporting your concept that the presentation on the video could be altered to make it much more scientific and clear if need be, I didn't think the video was made to sell product but I could be wrong - I thought patrick was just sharing a quickly demo on how material from the book could be done. If I am in error, my apologies.

Peace and all that.

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I think half of what is being said here about the demo presentation etc goes without saying. We all know we can perform the effect 180 degrees out of phase. Why pick the performance apart. That doesn't matter.

Pick the effect apart if it matters. Was it good or not good.

Kind of like saying, " ...sure the vaccine will save my life but I just don't like the doctor, the nurse and the way are are dispensing it."

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On 2013-12-15 10:03, IAIN wrote:
My point was that half the sell (at least half!) its about the presentation...especially when its quite a process based "thing"...i buy stuff because I either enjoyed the presentation and don't care about the method, or I wanna know the secret cos I have a presentation in mind...

in this case, I found the procedure very dry, and as the presentation was also the same (though friendly) it was more of a show and tell than a proper presentation really...and its not to be taken as a criticism or anything bad per se, just saying that as there was quite a lot of "do this..now do that...i'm now going to put these under the table..." and so on - I would be sold more on it if the presentation did 'something else' to make it more interesting...

please read all of the above in a good natured, non-confrontational tone!
I agree in a way too, however I realize that Patrick and I come from opposite ends of the performance spectrum. So it is what it is.
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The presentation here comes from a card effect where the subject is able to sense the difference between red and black cards. This comes from something I've been doing "for real" for a long time. I don't have the ability to tell you if a card is red or black but I can tell the difference between the two I just don't know if its red or if its black just that its different from the other. This still results in a successful separation. This is what was attempted to be communicated with the ESP symbols of different colors. I can see how this translation to symbols can get a bit confusing.

I thank everyone above for their feedback and for the feedback I've gotten in private PMs.

I don't feel like anyone has been confrontational in this thread at all! Everyone's been very polite and sharing differing views. I think this is great!

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I had a great time with you in Florida back in October and had fun toying around with the new presentation of Small World using the cards you had with you. Always a pleasure to spend time with you and glad you're having good success with the routine!
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Brilliant, bro!
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On 2013-12-14 18:14, Bill Cushman wrote:
Spooky, Dr! I had your beautiful inkblot cards my hands a couple of hours ago and was thinking the same thing.


Great minds eh Bill....the ink blots are cool and sit in a leather wallet, ten blue back and ten red back, ready for action. Patrick's routine is perfect for these. And allows me to move on to other things.....
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Where does one "procure" a set of ink blot cards?
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Also, if you have White Star, I think there's a way to apply Small World. You could put the cards into pay size envelopes, the participant "feels a difference" between them, then when you remove the cards, it's revealed that these are photos of passengers from the Titanic, and the participant has separated the survivors from those who died.
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All of these different themed cards are very exciting. The Ink Blot cards really would bring a nice dynamic to the routine! Wonderful thinking everyone.
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The envelope idea is also a good one!!!
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please read all of the above in a good natured, non-confrontational tone!


? I didn't think there was any confrontation?

Peace and all that.

I'll go back to spooky and the shadows.


huh?! all I was saying was basically "can no one please take my own personal critique the wrong way, or think that I was being aggressive or shouty"... wasn't saying anyone was being confrontational...
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Anyway - ages ago, I made my own set of colour cards, 5 solid colours, in a set of 25 - I could see it working well with this...and blindfolded too...and then leapfrog off it into an aura based presentation...

maybe start off with a stroop test a la ross johnson?
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On 2013-12-15 10:18, Dr Spektor wrote:
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On 2013-12-15 10:03, IAIN wrote:
please read all of the above in a good natured, non-confrontational tone!


? I didn't think there was any confrontation?

Peace and all that.

I'll go back to spooky and the shadows.


huh?! all I was saying was basically "can no one please take my own personal critique the wrong way, or think that I was being aggressive or shouty"... wasn't saying anyone was being confrontational...


You were in no way aggressive, "shouty", or confrontational. Your comments and opinion were heard and appreciated by the person they were directed to : ).
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