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Ken Northridge Inner circle Atlantic City, NJ 2392 Posts |
^Good point, Karen.
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On 2013-12-15 16:40, Dannydoyle wrote: We agree Danny. As I said, I almost never expect a tip, because like you said, I do charge what I think I’m worth. This was just an extreme case where it really would have been nice to get a little extra for my trouble. For the record, I never called my client names. I really wasn’t even angry. I kept my word, he kept his. Case closed. And I will probably be invited back next year. So, looking at the big picture the evening was a success. By the way, I didn’t see the humor in this until now. Isn’t it interesting that Santa cancelled because of snow but the magician was able to make it?
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charliecheckers Inner circle 1969 Posts |
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On 2013-12-16 08:58, Ken Northridge wrote: It's times like these that the real Santa really appreciates his Rudolph! |
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David Thiel Inner circle Western Canada...where all that oil is 4005 Posts |
I can appreciate how hard it was to make this booking...and how far you had to extend yourself to make it happen. It's a great story of hard work and persistence.
The question is "When is a client obligated to tip?" Answer: never. It's true that you went to great lengths to make the show happen. It's also true that you were paid the rate you'd been contracted for. Maybe it's because most of my clients are corporate and the payment amounts are predetermined and prepaid -- but I never expect a tip. I do think you are to be commended for your integrity, Ken. Good work. David
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charliecheckers Inner circle 1969 Posts |
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On 2013-12-16 15:10, satirest wrote: This thought occurred to me as well, but a google search did lead me here whatsoever. |
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Ken Northridge Inner circle Atlantic City, NJ 2392 Posts |
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On 2013-12-16 17:46, charliecheckers wrote: I said nothing derogatory about the the client. This was all about my perception. My client was a very nice man... and a very successful man! I'm the one who had the emotional, irrational thoughts about extra money. Besides, he has my card, he will be calling ME, not goggling other magicians!
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NeverGrowUpMagic New user 43 Posts |
I feel blessed when I receive a tip... but never feel the client is obligated to give me a tip.
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charliecheckers Inner circle 1969 Posts |
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On 2013-12-16 20:25, Ken Northridge wrote: Which is why I said "the thought occurred to me" , but did not feel the need to post my thought. We should all be so lucky to have as little to hide from as Ken does. That is the lesson I take from this thread. Run your business beyond reproach, and you don't have to run. |
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dearwiseone Inner circle Portland, OR 1143 Posts |
Ken,
I understand how frustrating those times can be. I've gone above and beyond several times and not received a tip. I never expect a tip though. I don't go above and beyond for tips. I go above and beyond so that clients like me and book me again, and recommend me to friends. No client has ever tipped the full price of a show, so it makes more sense financially to do it for the reason of repeat business, not a measly (in comparison) 20% or 30% tip I might get. Remember, not everyone thinks that magicians should be tipped. As performers, we're used to it, but the public may not be. My dad was surprised when I told him I got tips. He said "You're telling me people actually tip magicians!" He never would have thought to tip magicians. Waiters making $2/hr - YES! But magicians? The thought never crossed his mind. I personally don't usually tip people in the service industry. A locksmith came out to my home a few months ago. I have no idea how bad the roads were, what effort it took to get here, or if he almost got lost. I don't know. But I also don't care. He came, he performed the agreed upon service, I was very happy with it, I paid the bill (the amount I had been quoted), and he left. Why would he deserve a tip? Why would I tip him? If you find yourself feeling under-appreciated often, or feeling like you deserve tips more often, simply "build them in" to your fee by raising rates! I did that and have never regretted it. Hope this helps! - Kevin |
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iwillfoolu Special user Upstate NY, USA 746 Posts |
I never expect a tip, but I also ask a lot of questions before I quote a price.
Joey D |
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Logan Five Inner circle Northern California 1434 Posts |
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On 2013-12-31 14:55, iwillfoolu wrote: Me too..
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Dynamike Eternal Order FullTimer 24148 Posts |
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On 2013-12-15 09:04, Ken Northridge wrote: Whenever they want to. |
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