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This is the famous Pat Collins and a lot of the younger stage hypnotists that are around nowadays could learn from her. Real charisma. It is a very risque show and I am never comfortable with that sort of thing. However, in comparison with what you see nowadays I suppose it is mild in comparison. Anyway, here she is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp0qqs5t5PU
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The leading lady of hypnosis. she made a great name for herself throughout Chicagoland before starting her own theater in Hollywood. How about the live band (combo) behind her (they're actually quite tight. This video was taken from one of her Showtime specials from the very early days of Showtime cable t.v. here in the states.

She'd have lines down the block every weekend just to see her show. She also released several albums as well. I have some of her shows, including this one as part of my personal stage hypnosis collection.

It was a nice "naughty" or suggestive show for her time, but always done tactfully and of course mild by today's standards. A real hypnosis show is always nice to see, however old it may be.
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Im not sure about the lighter though! Smile


Although I like her stage presence..
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For the day, she was hip. A fast talker and a bit mechanical at times but the knew what she was doing.
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I still think she is a lot more hip than most hypnotists today. I just meant the lighter would be a health and safety issue today! It was used over here by hypnotists back in those days too.

I thought she was very entertaining. Loved the "break-up" sketch. I also liked the use of the live band.
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Entertaining was more fun in the days before political correctness became so popular
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On 2013-12-16 13:32, Mindpro wrote:
Entertaining was more fun in the days before political correctness became so popular


Im not sure if political correctness is popular I think most people have been manipulated to adopt it for fear of being negatively labelled. There are also those who take advantage of it far too much and play the card. PC is a form of oppression if you ask me.
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When I was active years ago working night clubs and suchlike I virtually always had a live band behind me. Of course I wasn't doing hypnosis then. As for the lighter I still remember seeing an old time hypnotist do something with that stunt that made me laugh my head off. He got everyone to hold their hand out palm down and said words to the effect of "Some people come up here and try to spoil the show by faking hypnosis. I use this test to sort out the fakers from the real hypnotic subjects. As I pass down the row I will put a burning flame underneath your hand. If you are truly under deep hypnosis you will not feel a thing. If however, you are larking about and faking it will burn you severely."

He then went down the row and all the fakers left the stage very rapidly before he even got to them! I found it hilarious!

But here is a point I want to make. In the past I have stated on here that a show should have a slight scientific bent but I found it difficult to put across this point of view properly because I couldn't illustrate what I meant. So various people on here all jumped on me and said a scientific show would be very boring. But that is because they had no idea what I was trying to say. That is why I am so delighted that I found this Pat Collins clip. She illustrates my point perfectly.

Look at her show closely. There are SEVERAL moments when she goes all "scientific" and chats about why and how hypnotism works. She educates the audience as well as entertains them. I believe this "scientific" slant adds significantly to a show and gives the performer credibilitly and prestige. Ormond McGill used to do this terribly well and the reason that Paul Goldin got his incredible reputation was because of this "scientific" slant. People used to talk about him in hushed tones which is not the usual reaction to hypnotism shows. Now of course the "scientific" waffle does not have to be accurate as long as it sounds good.

I am not a fan of all the sleazy shows I see nowadays (and they are not all from the UK as has been stated on this forum in the past) and of course none of them stress this scientific angle. It is refreshing to see a combination of the "naughty" and the "scientific" together. I can't say Pat Collins is completely to my taste since I detest vulgarity in any kind of show but at least she does it very well indeed. And at least there isn't a single swear word. Vulgar is bad enough. Profanity makes the whole thing very ugly indeed.
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I was lucky enough to see her in action in Reno in 1985. She was still doing a great show.
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Pat was a legend where I came from.
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I can see why shes got a really cool way about her. You also get a feeling from that video that hypnosis was really special back then and not over exposed. It has a really nice feel to it. I wish I had been a hypnotist in those times. I remember watching Robert Halpern over here in the early 70s when I was at school. He had the same kind of legend still does after all these years people talk about him. It was just a time when hypnosis was more special.
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I think you are right. It was quite rare and a very special occasion to see a good hypnosis show. You remembered it forever. It really creates a perspective of the industry, the business and the public perception comparing back then with today.

I recently went to a trade show for a specific performance market and in the exhibit hall there were more than 30 different stage hypnotists being represented there for bookings. I don't care what they say, the industry has been impacted.
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I saw Robert Halpern decades before I started to do hypnosis myself. I thought he was bloody awful! He may even have been the worst hypnotist I had ever seen! I couldn't believe the amount of bodies laying on the floor! It looked like a bloody cemetery! And he treated the volunteers with the utmost disrespect. It was in Edinburgh at a midnight show. And yes, I do agree that the theatre was packed.

I heard Halpern had disappeared because he was hiding from the British taxman although I did hear a report that he was seen selling budgerigars in the Republic of Ireland. How true that rumour was I have no idea.

But I do agree that hypnosis has been over exposed and alas I do think the plethora of "training" has something to do with it. I believe I know who started all this training stuff off too and he wishes he had never bothered. And I think the over exposure had something to do with all the restrictions on stage hypnosis in Britain which have led to all the difficulties in that country. And I also believe the hypnotists had a lot to blame for it themselves. Those awful sleazy, unsafe shows had a lot to do with it.

Pat Collins was a little too smutty for me but at least she was slick, professional and charismatic. I haven't seen the clip in its entirety yet but I bet she didn't have all those bodies all over the floor though.
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Here is a clip of Halpern. It was a very unsafe show. I remember a woman broke her leg in the show and sued the theatre and won 80 thousand pounds which was a huge sum in those days. She didn't sue Halpern because she figured that the theatre would have more money than he did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxNNZxjUldA
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Halpern started training in the 80s as did another theatre hypnotist which was when I got into it in the late 80s. But the trainings were very rare and were usually one-o-one not a room full of people. Its the sell hypnosis for a few bucks attitude that has killed it really. It sad to see it reduced to hyjacking on the streets or in pubs.

I loved Halpern as a kid I thought he was charismatic and he was well known for his publicity stunts. A couple of weeks ago I did a motivational talk for a bunch of lawyers. At the end someone came up shook my hand and started to reminisce about his youth and going to see Robert Halpern. I never mentioned him in the talk and only briefly touched upon my back ground. Halpern has stayed in the minds of some people for more than 30 years. He made a huge impact. He sold out just about every theater in this country at one time.

You might not have likde him or certain types of shows but the packed out audiences did.
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Oh, I agree that someone must have liked him. His shows were completely packed out all the time. Of course stage hypnotists were more of a novelty then. He was known for always being late for his shows it seems. Here is a story I dug up about him:

http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2006/11/14/2074990.htm
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Not Must DID! And his name is still talked about by a number of generations. Even now to this day. In his time he was a good act he was much more than a novelty and he was a "good" stage hypnotist for his time with a lot of charisma. he was a genuine "star" if they exist. Huge in the UK. I loved him as a young teenager. However in the Odeon which mark talks about I beat his ticket sales. I also beat Powers and Newton. In fact as a complete unknown I hired the Odeon in the early 90s. Halpern had disappeared for years.I remember the manager trying to put me off. I could see a letter from Powers on his desk. But I managed to persuade him to allow me too book the theater. That night Halpern was on the phone trying to book the Odeon but I had already signed the contract. We would sell out from the first night and go on for six to 12 weeks. Other hypnotists would start half or less than half full and build up to a sell out. We did a huge amount of fly posting and advertising starting 6 weeks before the shows. I had to create the illusion of a "big" hypnotist coming to town. It paid off.

I do remember though being at one of his late shows in Edinburgh and we had to wait 20 mins before he walked on stage. I do remember thinking naively it was part of the act to keep us waiting. but 20 mins was a bit too much. I also remembered stories from people who had seen him at the casino after the show. He would regularly blow £5000 so the stories went.

But he made a fortune back then.
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It's interesting that she repeatedly mentions that the volunteers will not literally hallucinate but will only be responding to the suggestions she gives.
Is that common, to explain that?

Also, she only has a very few chairs up there but most hypnotists (of the few I see on-line at least) seem to have at least 10, sometimes several dozen, chairs. Is this a testament to how good she was? If not, what are the advantages of working like this?
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The number of chairs is probably more to do with the size of the venue. My very first "show" I only had four chairs. And 10 people.

As for the responding but not hallucinating? Ive never come across this before. Sounds like some kind of "safety" suggestion.

I didn't think their responses were that good apart from the guy crying and she did suggest he would cry "real tears".
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