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On 2013-12-21 19:19, Harry Lorayne wrote:
Some "detail" when someone who wrote 17 books (or more) on the shubject of trained memory, including the remembering of cards - was on every national TV show, and etc. etc., is known all over the world as the "World's foremost memory-training specialist" and who the NY Times referred to as "The Yoda of memory training" isn't mentioned at all. Really great detail. Someone once wrote to the NY Times when there was a short article about memory and I wasn't mentioned - paraphrasing: "Writing anything about trained memory without mentioning Harry Lorayne is like writing about the theory of relativity without mentioning Albert Einstein." The above is an excellent example (of what? Lack of knowledge? Ya' got me). Sorry - my obviously biased opinion, folks. HL.


The insecurity on display here is amazing.

Harry, do you have a date for that NY Times letter? I searched the nytimes.com website's archive (which does include letters to the editor) for both "Harry Lorayne" and "Einstein" in the same letter or article and came up empty. (Or was the letter perhaps written/sent, but not actually published?)
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On 2013-12-22 11:15, Steve Suss wrote:
I can only speak for myself but I don't know why anyone would not pick up a Harry Lorayne memory book.


Oh, I don't know.... Because of posts like the one above yours?
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On 2013-12-22 14:01, Harry Lorayne wrote:
That was NOT an apology, Mr. Cain, as you well know - and we WERE continuing on smoothly before your silly interruption.


So when you said you were sorry, you weren't actually sorry, and MY post took things off course, not yours. I see. And up is down, ignorance is strength, war is peace, and Harry Lorayne is a great human being.
Ellusionst discussing the Arcane Playing cards: "Michaelangelo took four years to create the Sistine Chapel masterpiece... these took five."

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And psychobabble is your forte. And if you don't see that your stupid posts are taking this thread off course - you really should get some help. Those who've followed over the years know that you have his lovely habit of "coming in" when it has to do with me, with your put-downs. Stop with your obvious obviousness, will you? Stop with your silly/stupid interruptions - spend more of your time under your moist rock pulling wings off flies instead of wasting everyone's time here - and bringing in the other time-wasters, like Mr. brainbury, also as usual. Good Lord, you guys are sooooooo obvious, and you don't see it. No, Mr. brainbury, no idea - I don't keep those things, but keep searching. We'll breathlessly await your next, your usual, load of wit.
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I posted to this thread first. Maybe you missed it since I clearly failed to mention your name.
Ellusionst discussing the Arcane Playing cards: "Michaelangelo took four years to create the Sistine Chapel masterpiece... these took five."

Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes: "You know Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are even worse!"
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To all good-natured, kind-hearted, unobstrusive, humble and modest magicians:
A very happy Christmas Smile ....
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Cain: Again, what the **** are you psychobabbling about? Your first post had to do with subject of this thread, and that's fine; I certainly didn't come in and put you down in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM FOR THAT. It was AFTER my post - that also had to do with this thread - that you came in with your jealousy-ridden nonsense and INTERRUPTED THE THREAD. Stop trying to kid a kidder, Cain, the Brain - repeat, go back under your most rock - and stop being sooooooooooooooo obvious, and stupid. So, I guess we'll just have to wait for your next load of wit. GET HELP.
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You are moon-barking mad.
Ellusionst discussing the Arcane Playing cards: "Michaelangelo took four years to create the Sistine Chapel masterpiece... these took five."

Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes: "You know Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are even worse!"
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There's that load of wit! Incredible.
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For the best way to memorize multiple decks- and KEEP them memorized forever, seek out the written works of Harry Lorayne.
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On 2013-12-21 19:19, Harry Lorayne wrote:
Some "detail" when someone who wrote 17 books (or more) on the shubject of trained memory, including the remembering of cards - was on every national TV show, and etc. etc., is known all over the world as the "World's foremost memory-training specialist" and who the NY Times referred to as "The Yoda of memory training" isn't mentioned at all. Really great detail. Someone once wrote to the NY Times when there was a short article about memory and I wasn't mentioned - paraphrasing: "Writing anything about trained memory without mentioning Harry Lorayne is like writing about the theory of relativity without mentioning Albert Einstein." The above is an excellent example (of what? Lack of knowledge? Ya' got me). Sorry - my obviously biased opinion, folks. HL.


Harry, Although I didn't learn the mnemonic system usde to memorize the Aronson stack from one of your books. I'd be grateful if you would give a specific recommendation as to the best way of using such systems if one were to want to memorize a 2nd stack.
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The guys on here that bait Harry should be ashamed. He is 87 years old and we are so lucky to have him post on here. So what if he gets cranky sometimes, don't we all? He deserves some serious respect for what he's acheived.

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On 2013-12-23 07:59, Sean Giles wrote:
The guys on here that bait Harry should be ashamed. He is 87 years old and we are so lucky to have him post on here. So what if he gets cranky sometimes, don't we all? He deserves some serious respect for what he's acheived.


Of course he does, but don't we all? I have a tremendous amount of respect for his work, believe me - I really do, but I also feel that beginners or anyone who isn't familiar with Harrys' work have the right to come here and ask questions without being informed that someone has written tons of books on the subject with a dash of rudeness and no further information whatsoever.

Please, inform about your books as much as you want. You have earned the right to put out some shameless plugs here and there, no problem. But you have NOT earned the right to be rude to people!
If you want to promote some book, the least you can do is name the title. Take the opportunity to be helpful and you might sell another book or two. If you take the opportunity to be rude and patronise people, don't expect anybody to buy the book. Especially when you don't even mention what book you are referring to.

To me, that's just common sense. As well as it is common sense to respect Harrys work. See the difference?

Sorry for being OT.
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Thanks so much for your advice, Lundonia. Of course, it's kinda' silly advice for a number of reasons - a)I've written, I think, 29 books for magicians, plus TWENTY YEARS of a magic magazine, so can't "name the title." Up to the individual. And, b) there's my magic website listed right under ALL MY POSTS, so - all ya' gotta' do is go there, click on whatever your interests are, etc. And, it tells you there that if you have any questions ... and tells you to email me, etc. Which people do every day, all the time.

Oh, and let me add c) - would you please point out to me, specifically, where and how I've been rude TO ANYONE HERE? That is, who hasn't been rude to me first? That's my thing, buddy - I AM RUDE ONLY TO PEOPLE WHO ARE FIRST RUDE TO ME, OR ARE INSULTING TO ME - as was the case here. So, anyway, since you took the time to give me that advice (which, incidentally, some may even consider to be RUDE)it's important to me for you to point out where/how I was rude, so that after all these decades, being so rude to people, I may learn from you how NOT TO BE. I'm assuming that part of that "teaching" will also be how and when NOT to give un-solicited, rude, un-knowledgeable, un-called for, WRONG, advice. I'm always willing to learn. Regards, Harry L.
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Mr Lorayne,

I'm not intersted in any long winded debates. If you feel that I have been rude to you I do sincerely apologize, that wasn't my intention at all. I haven't followed all the debates here and I have no idea who called who what and when they did it. That's beside the point. I have seen a few posts from you over the years where I find you to be a bit rude to the OP. Since you are asking me to point it out, here is an example - by no means at all neither the best one nor worst.

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I've "listed those lists" in about 12 different books!


You might not find that rude and maybe it's not if you know the person behind the post. I don't know you personally and I find that post a bit rude. I do understand that you can not remember everything you wrote, which is ironic. (Sorry, bad joke. Smile ) I really do understand that. But how do you suppose any newcomer will know the procedure you require to be helpful? Of course they don't.

If you want to market your books it would be better for everyone, including yourself, if you tried to be helpful and nice instead. That's all I'm saying and if that offends you, I'm very sorry.

Happy Holidays! Smile
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Let this be the last post of this thread please.
Not for my sake but for the non-magicians who come here accidently.
What must they think of us?
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Waterloophai, this will be my last post, certainly to and about the silliness I'm reading from Lundonia. I mean, c'mon!! - a) he's not interested in long debates - I guess his wonderful posts should just be ignored. Got the wrong guy for that, buddy. And, of course, EXACTLY what bothered me he ADMITS TO. He says, "I haven't followed all the debates here and I have no idea who called who what and when they did it. That's beside the point." WHHHAAAAT?!!! Now THAT deserves specific attention. Buddy - That IS the point, and if you don't see that, you have a problem. What that says is that you really ought to do two things - a) do a bit of research, and more important - mind your own d*mn business!

Oh, again, tell us why that "I've listed those lists in about 12 different books" is rude? Are you out of your mind? People were asking about mnemonic lists to help remember cards and things - "Peg Lists" - AND I HAVE LISTED THOSE KINDS OF LISTS, those that I've refined over 70 years and those that I've devised, IN ABOUT 12 DIFFERENT BOOKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And it was not to one specific person, it was generally to all those in the thread who were interested in that, and asking about JUST THAT! Thanks again for your gratuitous, so-completely-unknowledgeable b*******t. And Happy Holidays to you, too. That's it, Waterloophai, unless Mr. Rudely Un-knowledgeable comes back with another "load of wit" - I sure have no intention of wasting my time with or about him anymore (unless I have to!)
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Merry Christmas Mr Lorayne. I wish you and your loved ones all the best.
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Really?
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On 2013-12-23 07:59, Sean Giles wrote:
The guys on here that bait Harry should be ashamed. He is 87 years old and we are so lucky to have him post on here. So what if he gets cranky sometimes, don't we all? He deserves some serious respect for what he's acheived.


Of course he does, but don't we all? I have a tremendous amount of respect for his work, believe me - I really do, but I also feel that beginners or anyone who isn't familiar with Harrys' work have the right to come here and ask questions without being informed that someone has written tons of books on the subject with a dash of rudeness and no further information whatsoever.

Please, inform about your books as much as you want. You have earned the right to put out some shameless plugs here and there, no problem. But you have NOT earned the right to be rude to people!
If you want to promote some book, the least you can do is name the title. Take the opportunity to be helpful and you might sell another book or two. If you take the opportunity to be rude and patronise people, don't expect anybody to buy the book. Especially when you don't even mention what book you are referring to.

To me, that's just common sense. As well as it is common sense to respect Harrys work. See the difference?

Sorry for being OT.


As the original poster of this thread, I see nothing rude or disrespectful about Lundonia's posts. I believe everybody here recognizes and respects Harry Lorayne's tremendous contributions to magic and memory work but mnemonic systems and memory techniques have been around for thousands of years and nobody can claim exclusivity to them. One of the problems with there being so many books written by one author is where do you start to look for any one particular subject or method. My question was specifically about memorizing a 2nd stacked deck without losing the first one, but nobody seems to have the answer to that, including Harry Lorayne apparently.
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