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Yeah, I still can't do that paddle move with the die...shame...
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I was fearing the worst from some of the comments here in terms of instruction but so far, the basic routine wasn't too difficult to learn. Sure I had to pause a bit to get oriented but I find this to be the case with all magic instructions (im a slow learner, what can I say!).

I need to give the advanced routine and other ideas a more intensive study but again, the basic stuff was pretty clear in my opinion. And I have never done dice work before so while I'm no Ronnie Ramin, with a little practice Im sure I can get it somewhat resembling what he does.

This isn't to undermine what others are saying, by the way, just my own personal experience.

Also, I'm a sucker for great packaging and this is no exception. The box looks great, I love the DVD holder circle thing that keeps it in place as it is made to resemble the dot on the die (along with the dvd cover). And the pouch is a nice touch too. Even the bit on Trickys website about the history of this routine is nicely designed.

All around, it's just a very well designed, and thought out overall package and felt that needed a little shout out too Smile
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Yeah, I still can't do that paddle move with the die...shame...


Same here, just keep practice still cannot do it well... maybe just me that stupid.
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It really is one of those moves that seems difficult at first and then one day it just pops and you are good to go from that point on. It really does help if you can see someone do the move from a side angle. That's how I learned it from Sheets. It's a great zen feeling when you get it down because you realize that the dice don't move. You are moving around the dice.
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It's a shame that this effect and Radical Dice aren't manufactured with 3/4 " dice.
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I thought I would post a review of this effect. I submitted one on the manufacturer's site but they have apparently decided not to post it. So here goes:

Part 1) The Packaging
Part 2) The Props
Part 3) The DVD

Part 1) The Packaging.
In a day and age when most people don't put any thought into the packaging, TRCKY did. The packaging is elegant. Everything from the box, to the DVD to the way the props are secured in the box is very nice. Pics are on their website. But in the end, it's just a box. I wish they had put that money into the props.

Part 2) The Props.
Many years ago I used to collect dice so I have a substantial collection. In fact, I was tempted to buy two sets of this effect just so I could add the dice to my collection. Good thing I didn't. The feel of the dice is very cheap. They are lighter weight that you would want and the pips are poorly painted. From a distance they don't look bad but when you pay that kind of money for a DVD and three dice you expect more. The dice come in a small canvas bag. The bag is so rough that I am concerned that over time they might scratch the cheap dice. Even the bag demonstrated on the DVD is nicer. At least it appears to be a much softer material. Don't get me wrong - the dice are not terrible - just cheap.

Part 3) The DVD
Clearly Ronnie has been doing this routine forever. The moves are flawless and he more than comfortable in the execution. But, he has no idea how to teach. The camera angles - wait - angle - is bad. There is only one. Never really changes. It seems fixed because at times he almost leaves the frame. He doesn't slow the moves down enough to make sense. He clearly is talented but someone else should teach the trick. There was virtually no production cost in the DVD. It's very disappointing.

Overall I think the effect is great. But the poor teaching and the quality of the props makes me wish I didn't purchase it. If compared to, for example, Imagination Coins, my guess is almost everyone has the gimmick in a drawer somewhere. But, the teaching was superb. For an expensive DVD it's hard not to think you got value for the money. He does an excellent job. Trcky should think more about the content and less about the packaging.
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With all due respect Syd, I have to disagree.

As for the camera angles, besides the dice switching section, you really only need one angle. The Paddle move is an angle proof move, taking a different angle won't expose it anymore or make it easier to understand.

As for the teaching, I would say he is going a bit faster than most instructional videos, but after you get the dice into the position he explains, which is the only part I had to rewind for, the rest of the routine is just one move, why does he have to slow down? If you can already do the move, you should be able to follow along just fine. And the move itself is simple, and he does it slow multiple times. It only takes a minute to explain. The rest of the practice is getting the timing down and getting it to fit your hands. My fingers aren't in the exact same place as Ronnie's, and I imagine yours won't be in the same spot as anyone else. I think Ronnie's teaching was fine because the routine is very simple, he doesn't have to go into lengthy explanation.

As for the dice, if you used to collect dice, then you have probably had some very nice pairs of dice, so I would expect a regular pair of dice to seem cheap to you. I probably haven't held dice as much as you but they seemed to weigh just fine to me, they weigh less than casino dice because they are obviously smaller, and the dots on the dice I received were perfectly fine. I have been carrying the dice around in the bag provided during some walk around gigs and there isn't a scratch on them. Personally, I'm not worried about the dice being absolute top quality because I want my spectators to think they are a normal pair of dice, so they should look like dice you could buy anywhere.

I have been using Crooked since I got it in the preorder and have been extremely happy with it. My spectators have loved it, I made a nice story so I enjoy performing it, and being able to hand out an impossible object within a minute of approaching a table really takes my audience's guard down. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.

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I agree that the dice seem cheap. Very light weight even compared to normal gaming dice. I also have to disagree with Colin. The move is not angleproof. In fact, the way Sheets got me to learn it was to watch him from the side. That makes the move transparent and easier to learn. So I think Syd is correct that the teaching is very weak. If you know the move already, that's not a huge issue. But if this is your first experience with a dice routine, good luck to you.
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I meant angle proof in respect to teaching, I'm sorry that was the wrong word to use. I understand why seeing the move from the side would be helpful, but I had never done the move before this DVD, and I learned it just fine. The move is really quite simple, if you want some pointers, I would be glad to help, you can PM me. It's all about figuring out how the move fits in your hand, and there is no way to teach that.

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I was new to dice and learned the move right away. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I'm anything special but it just seemed so basic to me which is why I'm so surprised to hear that others were struggling.

Then again, I struggle with other types of moves and sleights that are easy to some so everyone is different, I suppose.

Now, the routine itself did take some time to get down (like any, really) but I just jotted down step by step notes and was good to go from there.

I haven't watched other DVDs (or read books) on this subject so maybe by comparison this one is tougher to learn on? Either way, for me it was doable and I'm happy I got it.
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I got my set today, and I've already incorporated the "finale" die in my routine with normal dice. Even before I finished watching all the explanations, I had found a way to adopt the (examinable) impossible die that comes with the set to what I was already doing with regular dice.

If you have any imagination, and already do some form of dice routine, I'm sure you would find inspiration in these props.

For context, I learned the basic paddle move from George Anderson's Magic Digest a really long time ago. I've purchased (or read) the Sack routine, Harold Beaumont's Dice Routine from Routined Manipulation Volume 1, Bob Sheets' It's the Rules, Terry LaGerould's Die-Liriious (which is not as well known as it should be), and the Sol Stone routine. I finally, this year, came up with a routine that I liked enough to want to do it for non-magicians.

Ronnie's concept just upped the ante again. I can see this becoming the one trick I keep in my pocket at all times.
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