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On 2014-01-07 12:50, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
LOL Jeff!

Tommy and RNK: How do you know this? From whence comes your certainty?


My graduate class entitled "Paleoclimatology" using Carbon 14 dating in conjunction with Isotopic Geochemical studies specifically using rock isotopic ratios to interpret climate history.

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On 2014-01-07 15:11, tommy wrote:
My question is a simple question, which you seem to me to be seriously trying to avoid answering.

All you are trying to do there is change the question.

Lets put my question this way; If man was causing all the global warming in all the world then he still would not be causing more global warming at the poles where there are fewer men would he?




I DIRECTLY answered your question. NOBODY believes that humans are causing all the global warming in the world. EVERYBODY knows that natural processes are constantly part of the situation. What could be clearer.

What I do claim is that human activity appears to be causing warming as well. And that is a whole other matter.
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"If man was causing all the global warming in all the world then he still would not be causing more global warming at the poles where there are fewer men would he? "

The simple answer is "everything is connected"
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On 2014-01-07 12:50, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
LOL Jeff!

Tommy and RNK: How do you know this? From whence comes your certainty?


My graduate class entitled "Paleoclimatology" using Carbon 14 dating in conjunction with Isotopic Geochemical studies specifically using rock isotopic ratios to interpret climate history.

RNK


And how did that class demonstrate that human industrial activity has not caused changes in radiative forcing in the troposphere?
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Human activity has nothing to do with the climate. The past three summers where I live has been uncharacteristically on the cold side along with the winters being normal. The summers are getting shorter too. Though, as one global warming activist stated to me, "It's because of global warming that we are experiencing colder weather"! Wow. I just said, "Ok. That's a very interesting take on Global Warming" and needless to say did not waste my time to further discuss the topic with the individual.

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I wish we could stick to things like destroying eco systems. We have. We need to stop. Over fishing, rivers so dirty they can't be used and plastic islands. Not to mention space junk. Yes so much junk in space they have to make sure they don't hit it on launch. WE HAVE LITTERED OUTER SPACE PEOPLE!

Shouldn't need hat at least cause some embarrassment?

I am not smart enough to know about global warming. Too many agendas too many tricky models. I am smart enough to see things that are absolutely our fault.
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Human activity has nothing to do with the climate. The past three summers where I live has been uncharacteristically on the cold side along with the winters being normal. The summers are getting shorter too. Though, as one global warming activist stated to me, "It's because of global warming that we are experiencing colder weather"! Wow. I just said, "Ok. That's a very interesting take on Global Warming" and needless to say did not waste my time to further discuss the topic with the individual.

RNK


Bold statements. Do you have evidence? Is there something wrong with Dr. Spencer's data, perhaps?

Or do Pennsylvania summers tell us about the whole planet?

And you posted considerably more than Ok. That's a very interesting take on Global Warming"--perhaps you should reread what you posted.
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Again I am not very smart but how could we NOT impact our environment?
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On 2014-01-07 12:50, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
LOL Jeff!

Tommy and RNK: How do you know this? From whence comes your certainty?


My graduate class entitled "Paleoclimatology" using Carbon 14 dating in conjunction with Isotopic Geochemical studies specifically using rock isotopic ratios to interpret climate history.

RNK


And how did that class demonstrate that human industrial activity has not caused changes in radiative forcing in the troposphere?


Because CO2 makes up .01 or .02% of all the greenhouse gases in our atmosphere. Such a miniscule amount compared to the other gases. Radiative Forcing models rely mainly on plotting CO2 concentrations compared to the other gases such as methane etc.... Altering a compound that makes up such a tiny amount of the whole enormous picture such as our atmosphere to make a concerted conclusion that it's the culprit for change is almost impossible.
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Again I am not very smart but how could we NOT impact our environment?


We can on a "small scale" not a grand scale such as total climate change. The earth's position to the sun/moon and it's axis has a lot more to do with climate change than we do.
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Again I am not very smart but how could we NOT impact our environment?

Liddel' ol' us?

Danny, this agreement stuff is killing me, but there we go again!
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I wish we could stick to things like destroying eco systems. We have. We need to stop. Over fishing, rivers so dirty they can't be used and plastic islands. Not to mention space junk. Yes so much junk in space they have to make sure they don't hit it on launch. WE HAVE LITTERED OUTER SPACE PEOPLE!

Shouldn't need hat at least cause some embarrassment?

I am not smart enough to know about global warming. Too many agendas too many tricky models. I am smart enough to see things that are absolutely our fault.


YES! Totally agree.
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On 2014-01-07 12:50, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
LOL Jeff!

Tommy and RNK: How do you know this? From whence comes your certainty?


My graduate class entitled "Paleoclimatology" using Carbon 14 dating in conjunction with Isotopic Geochemical studies specifically using rock isotopic ratios to interpret climate history.

RNK


And how did that class demonstrate that human industrial activity has not caused changes in radiative forcing in the troposphere?


Because CO2 makes up .01 or .02% of all the greenhouse gases in our atmosphere. Such a miniscule amount compared to the other gases. Radiative Forcing models rely mainly on plotting CO2 concentrations compared to the other gases such as methane etc.... Altering a compound that makes up such a tiny amount of the whole enormous picture such as our atmosphere to make a concerted conclusion that it's the culprit for change is almost impossible.






Oh my. Really? Since CO2 makes up about 0.04% of the atmosphere (I looked it up), changing the amount cannot have a large effect on the earth? Seriously? What do you suppose would happen if you increased the microscopic amount of, say, arsenic in your blood?
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No John now you are changing the question to whether or not man is causing global warming.

That is not my question.

My question is, if man is causing global warming, then explain how come there is relatively more warning at the poles, where there are relatively fewer men?


Or to put it another way, how can man be contributing to the particular phenomena of relatively more warning at the poles, where there are relatively fewer men?
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On 2014-01-07 15:45, tommy wrote:
No John now you are changing the question to whether or not man is causing global warming.

That is not my question.

My question is, if man is causing global warming, then explain how come there is relatively more warning at the poles, where there are relatively fewer men?


Or to put it another way, how can man be contributing to the particular phenomena of relatively more warning at the poles, where there are relatively fewer men?


How does plastic make it from a landfill in London to the middle of the Pacific? Pollutants travel, largely by wind and water.
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Yes but why is it traveling "more" to the poles than anywhere else John?

Do carbon emissions prefer colder climes where there are fewer people pehaps?


Where they can lie on ice, spread their legs and chill out. Smile
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On 2014-01-07 15:57, tommy wrote:
Yes but why is it traveling "more" to the poles than anywhere else John?

Do carbon emissions prefer colder climes where there are fewer people pehaps?


Where they can lie on ice, spread their legs and chill out. Smile


I'm not an expert.

One fairly obvious reason, though would be albedo--the reflectiveness of the earth. The polar regions are cold, and snow and ice stay on the ground. The snow and ice are reflective, so that very little solar energy is absorbed and stored. If the equilibrium is disrupted and more of the rock and water is exposed, they will absorb solar energy, accelerating the melting.

You may have to do some reading of your own to find if there are other factors involved. I suspect there are .

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Thinking for my self. I think, the answer as to the cause of that particular phenomena, if it exists, is the procession on of the equinox, which may be giving our poles at the moment a little more Sun than usual in our “Solar System”. Assuming it is still called the Solar System and not yet been change by your experts to the Man System.


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Lets put my question this way; If man was causing all the global warming in all the world then he still would not be causing more global warming at the poles where there are fewer men would he?

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Who said the Polar Vortex Disproves Global Warming?
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