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Charliehuang New user Taipei, Taiwan 75 Posts |
Hey guys, I'm new here, and I'm interested in spectator as mind reader routines. Can anyone suggest books or some sort that include these kind of effects?
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Withnail Special user 974 Posts |
So What books have you read so far?
Yet again that oaf has destroyed my day
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12945 Posts |
Turn around what you already do. There's really no defacto routines. The ones that are available are standard stuff turned around using a bit o creativity.
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Charliehuang New user Taipei, Taiwan 75 Posts |
Thanks for the advice. indeed some effects can be twisted a bit into spectator as mind reader routines.
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Christopher Taylor V.I.P. British Columbia Canada 2314 Posts |
The Mark Spelmann routine that is included with Peter Nardi's Mind Control is one of the best of this type of effect. It is a card routine, but the audience is blown away.
All the best, Christopher |
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Charliehuang New user Taipei, Taiwan 75 Posts |
Thanks, I just checked the effect out, it looks quite amazing!!
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Rocketeer Special user Westchester, NY 965 Posts |
Ted Lesley (RIP) has a nice routine on his Cabaret Mindreading DVD. It's currently on sale for just $10 at llpub.com. Use the code "merry christmas" when you order. Otherwise you'll be charged the regular price of $35.
I'm selling my hardcover autographed limited edition copy of Jerome Finley's "Thought Veil"
PM me for info. |
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neemdog Loyal user 231 Posts |
There is a lot of great spectator as mindreader work in Peter Turner's Dare to Be Bold book. A lot of the effects require some top notch audience management, but definitely worth the work if it's the effect you're going for!
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Charliehuang New user Taipei, Taiwan 75 Posts |
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On 2013-12-24 22:55, Rocketeer wrote: Thanks. I just checked that out~sounds really powerful! -Charlie |
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Charliehuang New user Taipei, Taiwan 75 Posts |
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On 2013-12-24 23:16, neemdog wrote: Ha...I agree. I had his book already, it is full of deceptive methods. I really liked Mr. Turner's work! |
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mindmagic Inner circle London 1740 Posts |
Virtually any prediction effect can be reframed in this way. Ones that particularly appeal to me are Kolossal Killer and Confabulation.
Barry |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
The classic book in this genre of mentalism is George Anderson's "You Too Can Read Minds."
Personally, though, I avoid these types of routines. I just don't think they're good mentalism unless framed and presented very carefully. |
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Mike Ince Inner circle 2041 Posts |
I saw a performer put an audience member in a hypnotic trance. Only after that induction was she able to read someone's mind. The random selection and "swearing in" of the audience member, the performer's belief in the moment and the mysterious process of hypnosis made the mindreading credible to the audience. Without that process I believe everyone would have suspected a stooge. She wasn't a stooge; it was real to her and she amazed herself.
The secret of deception is in making the truth seem ridiculous.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
That's a good example of what I meant by careful framing. Too often such effects are simply instant stooge routines and look like it.
It's important that the mentalist and his skills remain at least somewhat central to the effect. |
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Charliehuang New user Taipei, Taiwan 75 Posts |
Thanks for the help! Your advices are all great!!
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
I've never understood this premise. What's the point? Why? You, the mentalist, is supposed to be the one with "special abilities". If this can be done by just anyone it diminishes the mentalists ability and can appear much more like a trick. To this day, I still struggle to see the benefit or appeal of this to an audience or the performer.
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Peter_turner V.I.P. Bradford, West Yorkshire 1355 Posts |
I agree wholeheartedly, it is all being about about how it's presented.
It all comes down to personal opinion whether you will use this premise or not, I don't think there is a real right or wrong. Which is why I love this art form. Things I thought were wrong just two years ago are now more relevant than ever in my own performing. I think personally if it is framed properly and based on natural intuition that we all have that we just take for granted and the participant leaves with a new skill I don't think it is a bad thing. "The Gray area". An idea for some of you to mull over, not saying it would be good for anything but filming but it portrays my point. Forget method,although I agree with Bob if this was a stooge it would waste the entire thing. HOW TO CHANGE A LIFE IN TEN STEPS (This would be the title) Take a really angry woman who's got a really selfish attitude and interview her. [Sub note on the table there is a cloth covering an item] Angry woman: "Charity starts at home, if I don't look after me who will. I don't care about anyone or anything but myself, what difference does it make to anyone else how I think". Performer: "I fully understand where you are coming from, would you say you are a fairly sceptical person?" Angry woman:"I'm no fool, I believe in what I see with my own eyes of course I am sceptical". [Obviously there would be the niceties, but I like referring to her as "angry lady" and I know the above dilect is pfft but keep following ) Performer: "Would you be willing to try something for me? It's nothing ridiculous I would just like you to humour me for a couple of moments." Angry woman: "Okay?" The performer hands the lady an envelope and tells her to keep hold of it and not let him touch it again. He then proceeds to place on the floor an item that has been covered with a cloth and he slowly pulls away the cloth revealing a battered looking pair of shoes. Performer: "I know this is going to sounds really strange but I would like you to remove your shoes and step inside this pair for me. You are going to take just ten steps in someone else's shoes". She steps into the shoes and awaits to be told to set off walking the ten steps. Performer: "You know nothing about the person who these shoes belonged to, when you begin to walk I want you to use all of your senses in symphony to culminate and create an idea of this person and try to feel a few things about this person. Start walking". The woman walks three steps and all of a sudden starts to laugh, she stops for a few seconds composes herself and walks 2 more steps and her face starts to change and she all of a sudden starts to be the polar opposite of what she just was and starts to well up. Another step she starts to cry. The next three steps she walks really slowly, struggling to balance but she never falls over and she stops at the ninth step just staring at the tenth. Taking several deep breaths, composing herself she makes the tenth step. Still in the shoes the performer addresses her, Performer: "Can you tell me what you experienced?" Angry lady: "I think a lot of what I felt is too private to say in words, but it has made me really think about things". Performer: "Okay, that's fair. Could you tell me a little bit of something about the person you believe owned them shoes?" Angry lady: "He's a man that's had a troubled life". Performer: "Can you tell me about his appearance?" Angry lady: "He was a very tall, dark haired male of a slim build. He had a small amount of facial hair and even though he didn't have much money he was a very proud man and never wanted anyone else to worry about his predicaments so I believe he is fairly smartly dressed". Performer: "Any idea of the mans name?" Angry lady: "I would like to say Edward". Performer: "That's really interesting, this entire time you have held onto an envelope can you open it up". The lady opens an envelope and inside is a photograph with a man dressed in a suit, tall, dark haired with a five o clock shadow. The photograph is turned over and there is the name "Edward Greenbough" and a date". The woman is obviously shocked, but the interview after is where things take a twist. She is no longer sceptical and is upset with herself at how she acted. She decides it's time to make changes and now has an appreciation for everything that exists around her. **Yeah I know it's therapy-esque but there is an excusable premise that I think would look ultra cool. I think if you start to think in terms of how it could be logical, then it never overrides your powers. Here are a couple of quick examples, If you had a bartender that has run a bar his entire life, he without knowing employs psychology on a daily basis and has a fantastic memory. He listens to peoples stories, remembers their names, remembers prices (even when they change), measurements, the location of every drink without thinking, names and peoples drinks orders. As a representation of how fantastic is memory is just think about how many times he has used the lines "Same again". He also gets an air of what sort of person drinks what sort of drink, its just something he has never thought about. If you lined up three participants and they told the bartender a little bit about themselves and each one was holding an envelope. The bartender named three drinks, the envelopes were opened and he got a near miss on one and the other two perfect, that would be amazing to watch yet escapes having to be labelled as a power. It's a skill he has, it's just something he took for granted and with a bit of guidance it can be coaxed out of him. I ramble and I know and go off on random tangents! What I am trying to say is there are presentations that escape being pidgeon holed as "spectator as mindreader" and just fits into a gray area. I sat with a list of jobs, created and remembered an entire presentation for each job (sometimes two if its a popular job)just incase I met someone with that job (sad I know) but it means I can give that person what seems to be a unique experience for them. I hope this post made sense, this is the longest post I have posted on here for sometime! Much love and good holidays everyone. Pete x |
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Peter_turner V.I.P. Bradford, West Yorkshire 1355 Posts |
P.s "Dare to be BOLD" Needs a rewrite to update the material, some of it is S*it. I look back and use it as a good gauge at how much my thoughts have matured.
I promise if I get time I will cast my eyes over it! Pete x |
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mindmagic Inner circle London 1740 Posts |
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On 2013-12-27 01:30, Mindpro wrote: Some early ESP research indicated that effective telepathy depends more on the abilities of the sender than on those of the receiver... Barry |
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Gumar Oz DuBar Loyal user 244 Posts |
Jermay's EI has a phase where you instant stooge someone, but like others have said it, it can look way too much exactly like what you're doing in reality; instant stooging.
I write and edit text.
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