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On 2014-01-30 15:55, Al Desmond wrote:
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On 2014-01-30 13:22, critter wrote:
A sane person is many times more likely to murder you than one with schizophrenia. If you're going to fear a group of people, fear the sane.


And just to add to your comment. You are correct. Schizophrenics are not generally violent, not towards other people. They can physically be a danger to themselves. And they are capable of anger and lashing out no different than another human.

I learned a lot about schizophrenia when I adapted the 1963 book "I Never Promised You a Rose Garden" to the stage. The book was a autobiographic work, couched in fiction. The author was author Joanne Greenberg. I had the opportunity to meet with Joanne many times while I was developing the script and talk to her about her battle with schizophrenia. She is 83 years old now. And now saner than most of us.

http://www.broadwayworld.com/denver/arti......20130914

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Never_Pro......8play%29


A basic principle of human psychology is that in "analyzing" any behavior, one must realize there is a contiunuum of "individual differences" accounting for variation.....and this applies to those who are diagnosed with "schizophrenia"..... (they are not their label)...so violence is found in a small part of that population.
However, on the contrary, ....in a large number of heinous, bizzare violent acts, the perpetrator could be seriously mentally ill in a higher percent of incidents.


That's why I said "generally" and a lot of those "individual differences" are what the person is capable of, ill or not. What I most rail against is those that assume without knowledge that schizophrenic are violent. And it really gets in my craw when folks continually confuse schizophrenia with MPD (multiple personality disorder). A schizophrenic does not have multiple personalities, there are one or more "persons" in their head.
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I'm speaking on behalf of myself and not Roth at all (although maybe he can chime in and agree or disagree)... But I like to think that her schizophrenia was misdiagnosed. What was really going on was much darker and otherworldly, but doctors didn't know how else to classify it.
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With this being a case study of a youth with Mental Health Issue's,I hope there is added accounts,of what (Can Not) be explained by Science,in the study too! (Paranormal)



I'm with Bobby, on this !
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Great idea Bobby....I could see using that premise for sure!
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Don't get too hung up right now on schizophrenia or DID or any of the many other classifications or misclassifications that can be applied to ASH. Suffice-it-to-say that ASH is open-ended enough to lend itself to all sorts of interpretations and you could well find yourself of many minds of how best to present it.
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I wasn't intending to generate much controversy with my somewhat off-handed remark. I understand that the main focus here is on the possession and not a mental disorder. But sane people really are scary.
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Just to clarify, and by the way this is a fascinating discussion. Alice was both schizophrenic and had multiple personality disorder. Very rare in children.

There is no violence or anyone getting killed in her diary Smile
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There is no violence or anyone getting killed in her diary Smile



DAMMIT ! Smile
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There is no violence or anyone getting killed in her diary Smile



DAMMIT ! Smile


Check out the teaser pictures, I guess its gory enough to freak people out ;-)
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There is no violence or anyone getting killed in her diary Smile



DAMMIT ! Smile


Ah, Lizard my friend, there is reading the lines in the diary and then there is reading between the lines . . .
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Rick, can you give us an update on an ETA?
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Rick, can you give us an update on an ETA?

Mid-Feb guys. Thanks Smile
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[quote]On 2014-02-03 19:09, gmeister wrote:
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Ah, Lizard my friend, there is reading the lines in the diary and then there is reading between the lines . . .


That, is the way I read it, my friend !

Just,don't want anything bad to happen to *lice or Ash !

Anyone Else, EHhhh... Smile
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I have witnessed a schizophrenic become violent. He believed the television was sending him messages through public access channels and that there was a chip implanted in his neck which everyone was trying to get. The actions all seem funny at first to most people until you realize how serious it is to not be kidding. Either way the hospital had an off duty but uniformed police officer as its nightwatchmen. The patient was unrestrained even though he had made threatening comments toward the staff that he intended to "take them out" and make his escape before they could get the chip. When the staff attempted to force him to take sedatives after catching him only pretending to take them he got violent. The Police officer came in to help (nightstick in hand) and he grabbed the officer by his necktie and began strangling him with it while males and female nurses tried to get him subdued. The cop started beating him with the nightstick anywhere he could hit him which eventually landed a head shot. It subdued the patient long enough to put him in full restraints. When he regained consciousness he was in full 6 point restraints and was immediately sedated but conscious. He was black and blue everywhere from the nightstick. The family arrived and were furious. The officer was yelling that he was about to shoot him if he hadn't gone down when he did which made them even more angry. The family said they had warned the hospital of him being threatening and believed he was not swallowing his meds and that he should have been restrained prior to the incident and that they were going to sue the hospital, etc. The pure adrenaline coming from the patient could have launched a rocket. If a schizophrenic becomes delusional (when untreated or improperly treated)they can absolutely become violent. He was not diagnosed with multiple personality disorder nor do a number of doctors believe there is such a thing. I have no opinion on that as I am not a doctor. Definitely not something I will ever forget.

edit - I should mention that the reason he had not been restrained prior to the incident was because he was very calm until the incident itself. Never yelled and in no way projected anger other than the comment about "taking them out" which was also said quite calmly to a family member. Projecting calm and being calm are not the same. It almost seemed as if he were faking the disorder at times because he seemed completely normal unless he believed he could trust you. Only Then would he speak about the chip and the conspiracy and the messages from the TV. Since he pretty much trusted no one and it was up to them to tell the doctors what he was saying. He was caught by the docs at one point when he wouldn't come out of the bathroom. When they went in he was attempting to put his #2 into a bag rather than flush it because he believed if they got it the could check his DNA against it and he could no longer pretend that he was not the guy with the chip. That they would know they had the right person.
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I should mention that I am referring to a person that had become delusional to a point that he was already placed into the hospital while awaiting admittance to a psychiatric treatment center. I thought it would be interesting to hear about this in a thread promoting an item that deals with this subject matter. I don't imagine the book is dealing with a functioning schizophrenic. Based on my PM box there are some who think I intended to mean this about all people living with the disease and possibly make light of it. That was not the intention nor did I expect any would take it as such.
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My Dad has schizophrenia and my education is in psychology, magna cum laude. As noted, I'm still more worried about being murdered by a "sane" person. It's more statistically likely. Smile
I'm not offended by this routine based on what I've read. Sounds interesting.
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Critter, my presentation would be in Bizarre...the,only way I would perform this! Smile

@ Roth, I hope you are keeping your ASH, in gear on this release ! Smile
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Rick, can you give us an update on an ETA?

Mid-Feb guys. Thanks Smile

Would this be a good time for us to start stalking the mailman in anticipation of a precious delivery?
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I will be stalking my "person-person" (do not want to be accused of sexual/gender bias by saying "male-man" )!
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