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RCP Inner circle Two Minnie's in The Hell's Half Acre, The Republic of Texas 2183 Posts |
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On 2014-01-08 16:36, Gordon the discombobulator wrote: That is an interesting idea. I know this topic is upsetting, rightfully so, but the reality is there are very few lost sales. The reality is most people downloading this stuff never look at it or do so at a glance. I remember when stealing music was all the rage.......people at work were swapping hard drives. One of my residents tried to "give me" his music collection. 80,000 albums! I asked him how do you ever manage something like that? His answer floored me.......I never listen to them, I don't even like most of the stuff! It was just a fad. Don't get me wrong...it's stealing.....plan and simple theft. Going after the "big fish" makes since but it's not possible to stop. BUT most people will do the right thing and support good works by good artists. It is sadly just the cost of doing business. I do a lot of free anesthetics...........but sometimes it's just the right thing do.........at the end of the day I do fine. Good artist producing good effects...........will do fine. |
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Gordon the discombobulator Loyal user 246 Posts |
The people who run the piracy sites are only interested in making money by selling premium 'fast download' services, or from advertising, or perhaps by promoting viruses on behalf of people with evil intent.
The more items they can offer, the more chance they have of making money. I seriously doubt that they have any interest in magic or mindreading. If several people are all searching for a popular book/DVD which they don't have, then they will try to obtain the book/DVD through emails (such as reported here) where they fake a genuine interest in obtaining the real items in exchange for real stuff that they already 'own' through previous exchanges. Each new item they get is scanned to their database of offerings. I am wondering if some magicians are using these sites like a public library. A sort of try-before-you-buy service. I.e. They 'borrow' (download) a book and only if they like the look, style, and quality of the book will they go out and buy it (or similar works by that author.) |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Like I said- there's no real way to stop piracy. That's not what this is about.
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
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On 2014-01-08 06:51, Ustaad wrote: Quote:
On 2014-01-08 08:01, Bill Cushman wrote: Oh, really?! My aim of pointing you to the old threads/ posts is not to discourage one from continuing the discussion on this highly sensitive topic of 'Magic Piracy' but, to bring forth the reality and facts of the Pirate's world and how their SYSTEM operates and conducts itself. If interested, read more . . . Click on the Pirate ----> Click on the Pirate ----> P.S. Quote:
On 2014-01-08 20:44, mastermindreader wrote: Exactly, there is NO real way of stopping piracy. And if this thread is about ETHICS - Well, for the pirates, Ethics has no meaning; it's a strange word.
MAGIC is a SECRET, without the SECRET there is no MAGIC.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Before this thread becomes completely derailed I'd like to point out that it is NOT about the problem of bit torrents and ways to make materials harder to steal. It's about a specific named thief who is illegally soliciting copies of my materials (and those of many others) in order to resell them for a profit over the Internet via auction sites, etc.
For those interested in the problem of piracy in general, here is a current thread specifically dealing with that subject: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&start=0 |
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
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On 2014-01-08 23:54, mastermindreader wrote: Oh, OK. I now see your point - I knew I was dumb but never knew that I was so ruddy dumb. Sorry Sir. Thank you and back on topic please. :xmas:
MAGIC is a SECRET, without the SECRET there is no MAGIC.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke. |
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Jesse Lewis Loyal user 227 Posts |
Bob, I never meant to derail the thread at all sorry for doing that if I did and much respect to the intent of it.
The following is MY OPINION and is not meant as legal advice. But these are m thoughts on nailing this Peice of *$%^ to the #(&$ing Wall On the topic of going after the thief if it is true that he is a thief and its proveable and he is doing as you suggest it may be best to openly name him and shame him. A large problem with enforcement is legal fees, it is like any copywrite it is only as strong as how much you are willing to enforce it. WE ARE A BROTHERHOOD RIGHT, so why not make an inventors brotherhood or "union"? It could have a specific "Legal Fees" pot the inventors either donated or have a monthly fee to help cover legal expense. Well now every one is going to want the pot for themselves right? - you go after the big boys only and have set systemized standards of who gets sued. There needs to be more support for the inventers in our community for each other to first prevent this kind of thing and second to have legal recourse when peirating happens. I am of this new pirating generation and it sickens me, when I was five I stole a chocolate and my mother caught me, she caught me eating it and made me stop. She put it on the counter in our house and a week later we drove into town. She made me walk into the store by myself and tell the owner what I had done. THe owner said I had to work it off. I swept the entire store for a $0.10 peice of chocolate and learned a lesson. It shamed me and most of all taught me that you need to pay for the things you want. The steps in the process 1. Finding out if it is legal to shame. 2. Getting the people who have lists f magicians and entertainers to publicly shame the hell out of the people. 3. Taking as much legal action as possible and sueing them into obivion 4. Having preventative measures in place. I predict none of this will happen any time soon. Bob I really do hope you make him hurt in the backside. Jesse
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C.J. Inner circle There's a lotta rambling in my 2366 Posts |
I'm just going to politely point out that offering Bob Cassidy legal advice is a bit... ummm... interesting.
Connor Jacobs - The Thought Sculptor
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur Be fondly remembered. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2014-01-09 02:23, C.J. wrote: :) |
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Jesse Lewis Loyal user 227 Posts |
Is Bob a Lawyer? I had no idea. I don't keep tabs on these things!
If so mr cassidy is it legal to shame someone who can easily be proven in the wrong or is it considered defamation? Jesse
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
To constitute defamation a statement must be false, must have caused harm, and must have been made without adequate research into the truth of the statement.
It is a fact that an individual using the name Alberto Gonzalez, using two different email addresses, sent out the email cited in the OP. It is also a fact that it is illegal to offer digital copies of copyrighted works for sale or trade without the express permission of the copyright owners. |
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entermagic Special user 810 Posts |
Please, Bob try to find a way to block a chinese website...
It is a shame, everything on that side is illegal. This person sells everthing without the author permission. |
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Anthony Black Special user Tamworth - Albion 855 Posts |
[quote]On 2014-01-02 19:33, mastermindreader wrote:
Piracy Alert- Alberto [last name redacted] sent the following to innumerable e-mail addresses, including representatives, friends, fans, and professional associates of the legal copyright holders of the pirated works offered. Thanks to the many of you who notified me of this. If you are or know any of the other authors whose works he is attempting to illegally trade, please feel free to contact me and I will provide you with the needed info to take appropriate action. Quote:
____________________________________________________________________ Hi Bob, I see some of my work is listed; would you so kind as to pass on any information you have on this chap my way via PM please. email, IP address etc. I'll take whatever you got! Thanks in advance, Anthony |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2014-01-09 09:28, entermagic wrote: There's very little I can do about what is apparently permitted by the Chinese government. Instead I am focusing on this one individual who is located in an area where I CAN do something. Posted: Jan 9, 2014 12:35pm Anthony- I've PMd the complete information to you, including email addresses, WHOIS information, street addresses, etc. |
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lane99 Elite user 421 Posts |
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On 2014-01-02 23:09, mastermindreader wrote: "Here" is the United States? It's illegal in the US for Person A to give eBook1 (which they own) to Person B in exchange for Person B giving Person A eBook2? Never would have thought so. Has anyone ever been convicted of that offense? |
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C.J. Inner circle There's a lotta rambling in my 2366 Posts |
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On 2014-01-10 04:51, lane99 wrote: Some examples of convictions in... ...USA: http://www.wired.com/listening_post/2008/05/guilty-verdict/ and http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news......ed_x.htm ...Scotland: http://www.today.com/tech/granny-convict......g-122985 ...Hong Kong: http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cf......t_piracy ...New Zealand: http://www.afr.com/p/technology/new_zeal......VW85xKsO ...France: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-5751250......acy-law/ BUT... this thread isn't about users. It's about the barons who run the file-sharing sites and torrenting hubs. So perhaps the example of ThePirateBay is more applicable here. Many reports to be found online about that one with some quick searches. A nice quick-read one is at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/95......den.html.
Connor Jacobs - The Thought Sculptor
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Mercutio01 New user Ocean City, NJ 68 Posts |
On a related note I came across a website today while searching for variations on Tarot spreads and uses in mentalism. I don't want to post the actual website because I don't want it to get hits, but it has a lot of mentalism and magic books listed. Who should I notify? I see that Mr. Cassidy (whose works seem to have a high representation on the site) has PMs turned off and am still such a novice that I don't know most of you.
Edit - it's literally the second hit when searching, with Magic Café being the first.
~Cameron Mount
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Michael Daniels Inner circle Isle of Man 1609 Posts |
In the first instance, it would be sensible to report any abuse to the domain hosting service. You can find this info at http://www.whois.com
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Mercutio01 New user Ocean City, NJ 68 Posts |
Thanks. I just did that. The site appears to be hosted by Dreamhost, but registered through DomainsbyProxy with the url purchased from GoDaddy. Person has done some work to prevent takedowns, and since I don't hold the copyright on anything there (only on my own poems and book), DreamHost says it won't do anything until they get a DMCA from the copyright holder.
Sorry for the derail, but I was shocked at how much is available, and at the second Google hit at that.
~Cameron Mount
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2014-01-10 04:51, lane99 wrote: I am frankly somewhat disturbed at this message. You honestly didn't know that it is illegal? Have you ever heard of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and the US Copyright Act of 1976 (U.S.C. 17)? Have you ever seen the a notice like this at the beginning of an eBook or other publication: Quote:
Copyright © 2009 All rights reserved The difference between digital editions and physical books is important. Every time you send someone an eBook you have made a copy unless you have physically deleted the work from your hard drive. |
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