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adrianbent Loyal user 210 Posts |
Ok, here it is... I'm IN LOVE with this table:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1czZhLuoYLQ Only problem is that I nearly choked when I went to the website and converted 690 swiss francs to dollars. OUCH! that's a lot of cash for a table! Any knock-offs out there that are cheaper? |
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elimagic Inner circle 1663 Posts |
Asking for knock-offs probably wont get much of a response here, forewarning.
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tboehnlein Inner circle ohio 1787 Posts |
Its a great table yes but 900+, waiters table and covered top has served the purpose for the best in the business.
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
I have used a waiters tray stand,that I bought in a THRIFT SHOP, for years ($5.00).
I remember a young lad at the LITTLE ROCK IBM CONVENTION (about 1975)--He was on the teen contest. He dressed like HUCKLEBERRY FINN. His "table" was a couple of weather beaten wooden fruit crated, with "ABNER'S MAGIC SHOW", white washed on the front. He was so FUNNY, that when one of the acts on that EVENING'S SHOW, had to cancel due to a transportation problem, I suggested to the convention chairman that he give ABNER the spot. He was delightful! If you're working 'the big room' in Vegas, you may need FLASH, Jay Marshall got along just fine on club dates with a "fat attache case" that he placed on a chair! In his vaudeville days, he walked on with all his props in his pockets (well, the 5 rings were hung on his back in a cloth bag) (The stage hands loved him--nothing to set or strike!) Hmmmm...now if I had that %900 table, I could get booked in Vegas......
SNEAKY, UNDERHANDED, DEVIOUS,& SURREPTITIOUS ITINERANT MOUNTEBANK
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magic123 Loyal user 273 Posts |
Is this Guy INSANE ! $ 900. DOLLARS !
At that price you can get a decient set of Cups , Pouch (hand made) a wand , a Waiters tray stand w/ enough left over to make a Strong/Solid table top to work on . Sorry, Guys but don't fall for this . M123 |
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Eric Evans Special user Rio Grande 668 Posts |
I've seen this table up close and they're worth every penny. Beautifully made of the highest quality materials. They're the Rolex of trayjack style tables. The fellas that run Needful Things both knew Cellini well and were inspired by him to make their products the best.
In my opinion they succeeded. That's not to say that everyone should invest in them as most street magicians would have a difficult time affording them--but if you can, you won't be squandering your money by any means. |
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Eric Evans Special user Rio Grande 668 Posts |
One more note as I think it relevant in more ways than one.
I first went to Switzerland in 1992. At that time our dollar equaled 1.5 Swiss Francs. Today, our mighty dollar is worth .90 Swiss Francs. Please don't hold the Swiss to account for the slide in our dollar value. Their are several people that we could hold much more appropriately accountable for the hollowing out of our own currency. Just because they're more fiscally responsible than us, in no way makes them greedy. |
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adrianbent Loyal user 210 Posts |
I wouldn't say national financial policy needs enter into the discussion here. Regardless, 690 Swiss Francs? By any stretch of the imagination on exchange rate whether in your favour or not... even if the dollar was 1.5... that'd still be $460. That's still crazy for what it is! (That's why I had no shame in asking about any knock-offs).
By comparison, you can get an aluminum folding table at Walmart for $22.97. Just sayin'.... http://www.walmart.com/ip/Ozark-Trail-Fo......hod=p13n |
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Eric Evans Special user Rio Grande 668 Posts |
Mr. Adrian Bent,
I wasn't aware that you were the arbiter of what could be written about here. Forgive me. As to your whining about the price, I thought I would offer a bit of perspective for the apparently small minded individuals that have voiced their opinions here protesting the price. Again, your indulgence is appreciated. But when you start advocating "knock-offs", you've lost me for one; a self-respecting magician who will pay the price others ask, or buckle down and make my own. |
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writeall Special user Midland, Michigan 930 Posts |
If I make my own, is it still a knock-off?
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ROBERT BLAKE Inner circle 1472 Posts |
Problem with those tables are that they have a height you can't alter. every cups and balls man who uses a pouch knows that the brim of the pouch should be below the tabletop. some tables are to low and that means that your loading is visible. if they charge that much they should make it to your height.
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BeThePlunk Special user West of Boston, East of Eden 887 Posts |
Thanks for that last comment, Robert. As I work to master C&B, table height is one a nagging concern. I find that standing at a regular height table (as many C&Bers do) makes the table lower than I find comfortable. Sitting at a normal table puts the table too high -- I need cushions to get my elbows above the edge of the table. Best height for me is about 36", the height of a typical counter or work table. That height puts my forearms a little above horizontal, and everything moves more naturally. I've taken to building my own.
So, yes, tables for the general market should be adjustable. |
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ROBERT BLAKE Inner circle 1472 Posts |
The main reason for the height is that the pouch is not visible and when you do the l**d it is not visible, no matter from where you look. the cup slides back over the table top and forward. so if the cups and balls is you thing consider this.
for a normal table (not for c & b) stand straight and put your palm of the hand flat on the table top. now give it 2" extra for the height. you should be able to pick up somthing from the table with out bending your back. or do a ribbonspread. if the table is to low you bend down and you have no facial contact with your audience. |
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BeThePlunk Special user West of Boston, East of Eden 887 Posts |
Robert, That's a great formula. How would you measure things differently for C&B? Thanks, David
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ROBERT BLAKE Inner circle 1472 Posts |
Again stand straight. wear the pouch. now let somebody measure the height from the floor to the brim of the pouch. give it 1" extra.
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Motley Mage Special user 572 Posts |
Eric, I do not believe Eric was indicating you could not write about your opinion; his simply differs.
Robert, thanks for some excellent observations. By the way, I love the new avatar, though I hope this does not mean you've done away with your cowboy persona. Both are solid characterizations. I for one cannot (would not?) spend quite so much on a table right now, but I do see a number of modifications I might make to my own homemade table (total cost $50 using a tray jack obtained from a restaurant that was going out of business and materials from Home Depot.) And don't misunderstand--it is a gorgeous product at a decent price for its innovative, quality construction. I just like making things myself. |
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ROBERT BLAKE Inner circle 1472 Posts |
Motley Mage, thanks for the compliment. I still do the cowboy as street show or children show.
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Eric Evans Special user Rio Grande 668 Posts |
Motley, that's not what he said. He said national fiscal policy needn't enter the discussion. If he meant otherwise he could have been more careful choosing his words. Whatever though.
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Magician Shaun Special user Huntington BCH, CA 924 Posts |
Personally, I use a keyboard stand stand and a table top I built for it. I bought some hardwood 1x2 boards for framing, some synthetic fiber board for the actual table top, and some really nice velvet.
I cut the fiberboard to the size I wanted, then I cut the velvet to the size I wanted and glued it to the fiberboard. Next I cut the 1x2s into the right lengths and cut the ends at 45 degrees so they would match up. I then framed the velvet covered fiber board on top and bottom. The frame keeps stuff from rolling off on top and helps keep the table stationary with the keyboard stand on the bottom. I would say my total monetary investment including $40 for the keyboard stand was about $65. I then spent about 2-3 hours total making the table top. I have been using it for about 2 years now. I use this table when I do a street show or any show that requires my table. I also made a servant for it. I used a black waiters apron to make the servante. I folded the apron in half leaving the two front pockets exposed. I sewed the sides together leaving the top open. I put some eye hooks on the edge of the table to tie the apron strings to. I also nailed the edge of the apron to the table top. I started with velcro but it didn't hold up well enough. I use the servante for all of my loads for cups and balls and I keep a lot of my props in there. The front pockets make a couple of nice organizer pockets. |
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Thanks BOB for the 'technicals' on the table height! I've never really been a busker, but, if I ever try it (not too likely at my age!)it's a critical point.
"The devil is in the details"!
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