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ceafin
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Ok, so I was told overhand shuffle was to be learned first, and I tought that seemed right to me. I've been trying to learn by way of the Royal Road to Card Magic, but after 6 months of practicing this shuffle it is no where near controlable. (While riffle shuffle has gotten better over time) I feel I must just be missing something obvious, since if practice doesn't get better, then I fear I'm practicing incorrectly. All hopes of jogging a card for a break are impossible since just popping the cards down for the shuffle they spin and go everywhere. How is it that everyone I watch just had the cards fall straight and in line, yet mine seem to spin, fly away, flip over? I actually have more success at snapping/flipping a single card between two hands than I do just the overhand shuffle.

I'm missing something obvious yes? Something about my hold or angle?
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After 6 months of practice you should already have gotten it down. It probably shouldn't even take that long. Maybe post a video of you doing the shuffle so we can help you out.
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Are you perhaps shuffling too fast and in the process of pull the deck away to fast and in doing so causing the cards to spin and not stay in alignment?
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Bulla: I agree, that's why I know I'm doing something wrong. I don't have a camera or anything to record myself with =

HeyBobby08: I thought maybe I was going too fast as well, but when I slow it down it seems to happen even more: spin, or even the next top card(s) flipping face up before I can cut the next. I was trying to think about using my left thumb to be more of a "pulling down" off the cards to cut, but should I be thinking of a more "right hand will let go of some cards" idea?
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Quote:
On 2014-01-10 16:08, ceafin wrote:

I was trying to think about using my left thumb to be more of a "pulling down" of the cards



You are now on the right track. If not, maybe coins are the way to go.

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Just put more pressure on the cards, and try to get one by one down, with the thumb like you said, in a pulling down move.
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You might try other sources of instruction, like Card College.

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Aaron Fisher has several great videos on this on his YouTube channel. A simple search should yield what you're looking for.
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I learned the Overhand Shuffle from Mark Wilson's Complete Course in Magic. If you don't have it, most libraries carry it. It also has the Hindu Shuffle, which is basically the same as the Overhand Shuffle except you hold the deck differently. I tend to have better control while using the Hindu compared to the Overhand Shuffle.
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I think you should really post a video as I can't understand how this is possible. Perhaps you are keeping your hands too far apart? The left thumb definitely does a lot of the work, especially as it allows you to take one card at a time. The entire deck goes into the left hand, then the top few cards are left behind as the right hand rises away. The cards aren't dropped on top, but rather placed (which allows for some sneaky steals in later chapters). Maybe this will help.
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The only time I feel I can't control my overhand shuffle is when the cards are brand new and slip all over the place, or too worn and dirty and stick together. The key for me is getting comfortable with the left hand grip--the little finger position at the inner end of the pack really is crucial, I think. My regular card-playing shuffle was much lazier, so this took some adjustment. I also tend to shuffle fairly slowly--when the pros do the crazy fast runs in the teaching videos, I don't even try to keep up. For me, accuracy and a natural look are more important than speed.
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Don't know if it'd help, bur - if you go to http://www.youtube.com/harrylorayneonvideo and search through some of the card effects I perform, you'll see me doing overhand jog shuffles a lot. For example, find HaLo Aces and at about 1.11 in... Whenever I want to keep a card or cards on top, that's what I do. HL.
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I learned from Royal Road years ago with no additional help. The secret to any sleight is to start at a snails pace. Break the action down to many steps and learn what to do for each action. After you get understand the basic mechanics, you can start speeding it up...and as you get better, your grip on the cards will loosen which will aid in the mechanics exponentially. I find taking it slow and slowly building up speed is the fastest way to learn any sleight.
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From another thread (Workers),also about overhand shuffling, perhaps a bit of inspiration: "Mr. Lorayne, your jog shuffle is a thing of beauty. The relaxed, casual - almost chaotic - way you do it while talking makes it look every bit a genuine shuffle, with no control in sight. No hesitations, just a natural rhythm and smooth pace, with cards cascading everywhere. Watching you do that on a couple of your videos really inspired me to put much more time into it, and to have more confidence in its potential deceptiveness." But perhaps not.
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Harry,

Amazing card work!!
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Lots of good advice already here! Work slowly and get it right. It'll pick up speed later. Focus on controlling ONE CARD. And yes, the thumb is the big helper. Your other hand is basically just an adjustable card houlette. It should keep even pressure on both ends of the deck, relaxing gradually as the stack gets smaller and smaller. If you're in Royal Road, you already know that controlling a card to the top or bottom is in the first pages. Work on that. Sometimes having a goal other than tedium can help.

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Not sure if someone already mentioned this, but in Royal Road, it explains the shuffle (if you are right handed) the cards are in your right hand and you move your right hand toward your left hand. Your left thumb strikes the cards in your right hand. Once your thumb is on the cards pull both hands away and the friction of your left hand will cause a few cards to fall into your left hand.

You are NOT throwing small packets from your right hand into your left hand, you are pulling cards with your left thumb from your right hand.

hope this helps!
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Hi ceafin,
I have taken some time to make a short video for you on the overhand shuffle. I hope it is helpful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZknBfPWelA

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ceafin
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Holy cow! For my first post yall sure are helpful. Catching up on the thread now. I really tried to think about what it was,and I think it's as I pull down with my left thumb and the cards start to slide off the top of the deck the bottom of the cards (or the short edge closest to me has to much friction against my right thumb, and so the small packet of cards I'm trying to pull down kind of catch on my right thumb and then rotate around counter clockwise.

whew! Big run on sentence there I'm sure.

Thanks for all the suggestions, I'll start with those videos links.
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You might want to check out my teaching of the overhand shuffle and the overhand injog shuffle in my book, THE MAGIC BOOK. HL.
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