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JamesinLA
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Jimmy,
Great minds think alike. I don't know exactly how Ian's worked or yours. I have a pretty good idea how Ian's worked. But now this begs an important point. I don't mean to high jack this thread but here goes: does anyone know about Ian's estate or if he had preserved his floating ball concept? Or is it lost now that Ian died to suddenly and prematurely? I would hope a friend of his or someone knows about this.

Jim

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Hi Jim, I just looked at the video of Ian's, and I can't make out the gimmick, so I can't be sure of the differences. I was unaware of Ian's version, but it seems possible that there is similarity in the mechanism. However, he's using a cloth and completely different moves.

Thanks for letting me know, Ian's version is really great, too!

Jimmy
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I want to clarify that I believe Jimmy created his on his own without any knowledge of Ian's. It happens all the time. Also, I don't know how Jimmy's works so I am in no position to judge any coincidental similarities of method. And I repeat "coincidental."
My reason for posting the last post was because of the potential that Ian's method may be lost and I don't want that to happen because it's contrary to the good of magic. We're all about this person did this and that person built on it and this is so and so's move etc.

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Jim and Jimmy. I discussed this effect with Ian when he stayed with me couple of years ago. He never planned to release the method or make more videos. Some of his reasons:


a) it will be ruined by those unwilling to practice or performing unsuitable venue
b) all the negative feedback from those who "look for fault" instead of opportunities
c) the thrill of creativity, especially the non-derivitive kind, is its own reward. I did not develop this to sell -- only to reward myself for "going beyond."

thus, the comparison is very valid and not "derail." Jimmy is sharing something of his creative genius with us. I hope the effect doesn't get ruined by some who will use it inappropriately.

I may purchase this effect just to reward Jimmy -- even though I may never be able to perform it.
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I am intrigued by Ian's work, and disappointed that I never saw him lecture or perform live. I feel one of the keys to protecting an effect is to get it into people's hands at a medium to medium-high price so that they respect it, and then give them fair videos that show them what can and should be done with it.

That being said, I've now seen Ian's performance on video. I can say with pride that the are only one or two things that we came up with that were similar in the routining. Philosophically, our approaches are different. He wanted to lead people down the Zombie path by starting out with a cloth. I feel that it would have muddied the water after seeing his. However, I muddied my way by adding a hoop. I was inspired by one of the greatest effects ever, Blackstone's floating light bulb. I remember in '76 how blown away that I was by that.

The funny thing is that I came up with completely different hoop work for this, out of necessity.

I'm pretty sure that our gimmicks are constructed differently, with mine being smaller and more manageable. This should help the masses. But it still will put a miracle in the hands of the master manipulator. And an ineffective contraption in the hands of the hack. Much like a Zombie ball.

By the way, I don't think that he could do the "polishing the atmosphere" move with his gimmick. In the video demo, it is the move between the two hoop moves. And THAT is one of my favorite ones.

This is the reward for independent creation... Different thinking, different choices, different results.

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Can anyone put up a link to Ian's performance. I think I saw it some time ago - I think he referenced it himself in one of his posts on the Café - but I can't find it now myself. Can anon share a link?
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There's a Magic Ian website at
http://www.magicians.tv/
but you're better off I think accessing them directly from youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56bbFkC2Wq4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7I18238......CA191C46
There is a scrolling list of additional videos on the side.
And his Flagtastick effect:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD1RnkICvQY


Here are some other Ian Garrison videos on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUQUIWUfr2k (25 minute show)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7I18238......CA191C46

That last site includes a scrolling list of videos on the side.

I'm not sure whether he performs the zombie on any of them.
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On 2014-01-16 19:45, John wrote:
Can anyone put up a link to Ian's performance. I think I saw it some time ago - I think he referenced it himself in one of his posts on the Café - but I can't find it now myself. Can anon share a link?


The video is not available any longer on YouTube or his video website. I just did a search on The Café and it listing is listed as not available.
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Ian and I had several conversations about his gimmick because his working was very similar to one of the handlings from my Zombie Re-Animated DVD Volume 2. After having seen the Zombira gimmick I think I can safely state that while they function in a similar way on several moves, the gimmicks themselves are very different and the Zomira has the advantage of being more versatile and less static in several respects. Ian's had advantages as well and my own version was somewhere between the two, though I'm quite certain all three were discovered independently.

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This thing is a blast to work with. Jimmy's got a winner here. And the price is right. For those of you who have it, try the pocket in various ways. I'm not quite able to get it down, but there may be something there. Those who have it will know what I'm saying.
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I just found out that Jimmy is giving a Zombira away with every Master Magellan Levitation sold (for a while anyway...not sure how long).
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Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jft5LUK5fi4

Thanks to Scott Steelfrye for his contribution, editing, archiving of this... I only wish that there was more of a routine to show, but this was at the last minute, I wasn't even mentioned on the bill.

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My Zombira arrived in the mail today! I am excited to begin practicing this method of a floating ball routine. I think I have already come up with an alternate handling that may allow for a cleaner close up presentation. This looks to be an awesome addition to my collection!
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It looks great Jimmy.
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Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6GeTB3uJ0c

Here she preform Jimmy Zombira in full light.She end the show with Zombira. I asked the guy in front seat they can't see anything.
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Sam, I love it, tell her thank you!!!!

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This came out last year when I was completely preoccupied with my day job , hardly any time to think about magic or reading the magic forums , so I missed it. I'm a little surprised there hasn't been more interest in this , other than this one discussion thread. From the description and the videos (including the one below) it's intrigued me enough to order it . I have a few ideas on what this may be (in terms of the working) but will be just as happy if it turns out I'm way off .


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On Nov 14, 2014, sam2452 wrote:
Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6GeTB3uJ0c

Here she performs Jimmy's Zombira in full light. She end the show with Zombira. I asked the guy in front seat , they can't see anything.


Lai Phan's performance seemed a little bit tentative , less confident than Jimmy's own demo video (although her hoop moves were very confident) , but I was impressed by the fact that the lighting was fairly bright in the room where she was performing and how close the spectators were in the first few rows of seats (sam2452's comment: "I asked the guy in front seat , they can't see anything." ... that's very interesting ... I sure hope the guy in the front seat wasn't just being "polite" when questioned or that he forget to wear his glasses that day ... ). I did note that Lai Phan didn't do the final move where the ball seems to float up to the ceiling , well above the performer's head and hands , as in Jimmy's demo video , but other than that I thought it was impressive that she performed it under those lighting conditions and with the spectators as close as they were, who didn't seem to see anything they shouldn't have seen.

Looking forward to receiving this and putting in the time with it to make it look good.
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Here's a brief clip of Jimmy Fingers performing his Zombira . Jimmy, I really like how you've incorporated some Raymond Crowe "naked zombie ball" moves into this .

https://youtu.be/bAK7Fj1X9qQ?t=1m46s

Starting at the 1:46 mark - through - 2:25 (nice vanish of the ball at the end)

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On Jul 12, 2015, David Todd wrote:
This came out last year when I was completely preoccupied with my day job , hardly any time to think about magic or reading the magic forums , so I missed it. I'm a little surprised there hasn't been more interest in this , other than this one discussion thread. From the description and the videos (including the one below) it's intrigued me enough to order it . I have a few ideas on what this may be (in terms of the working) but will be just as happy if it turns out I'm way off .


Quote:
On Nov 14, 2014, sam2452 wrote:
Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6GeTB3uJ0c

Here she performs Jimmy's Zombira in full light. She end the show with Zombira. I asked the guy in front seat , they can't see anything.


Lai Phan's performance seemed a little bit tentative , less confident than Jimmy's own demo video (although her hoop moves were very confident) , but I was impressed by the fact that the lighting was fairly bright in the room where she was performing and how close the spectators were in the first few rows of seats (sam2452's comment: "I asked the guy in front seat , they can't see anything." ... that's very interesting ... I sure hope the guy in the front seat wasn't just being "polite" when questioned or that he forget to wear his glasses that day ... ). I did note that Lai Phan didn't do the final move where the ball seems to float up to the ceiling , well above the performer's head and hands , as in Jimmy's demo video , but other than that I thought it was impressive that she performed it under those lighting conditions and with the spectators as close as they were, who didn't seem to see anything they shouldn't have seen.

Looking forward to receiving this and putting in the time with it to make it look good.
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Her cloth became a good back drop to cover the gimmick.
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On Jan 13, 2014, magic4545 wrote:
The included video is simply the best that we have at this time. I still have to workshop with a few people to get more finesses to make a better video, and I've even come up with a couple more moves since the video was finished. Those will be out shortly, and available to purchasers.

If someone isn't creative, this effect will suffer. That's why I've categorized it as a manipulation piece. Like a badly done Zombie ball, this one requires work. But, it's also less touchy than thread work, imho.

This may be the best thing that I've ever come up with, I'm very happy with it.

Jimmy


I received my Zombira and have watched the instructional video. It's a good idea and I am looking forward to practicing it.

The instructional video (which you get via a download link) is adequate , but if you are reading this Jimmy , I hope you still have plans to add updated video as you mentioned previously:

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"I still have to workshop with a few people to get more finesses to make a better video, and I've even come up with a couple more moves since the video was finished. Those will be out shortly, and available to purchasers."



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