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I am looking for a crystal silk cylinder that uses a double tube for a routine I am putting together. I found one at Laflin magic:
http://www.laflinmagicstore.com/ProductD......e=MCSSDT

Does anyone know of any other options, or anyone have opinions about the one that Laflin sells.

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The only comment I can make is that the Laflin "double tube" works like a Square Circle to show both tubes empty, then works the same as a standard "Crystal Silk Cylinder." Although the Laflin model looks really, really impressive, the only perk I can see is being able to show the outer cylinder empty before the production. Since I've always had a great response to the original version, I can't see the need for that specific perk. Why not use Square Circle?
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I also do not see the reason for the double tube, but in your post you say you need one that has it. Perhaps if you tell us what situation you need it for?

I purchased my silk cylinder from dazzling magic and have been quite pleased. The Laflin version is the first I've ever seen with a double tube.
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MAK/Grant used to sell an extra tube as an option with their CSC. Ickle Pickle also made/makes a nice one.

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I love the double tube.

I got mine at an auction without realizing that it was not the normal set.

The Double tubes work like Buddha Tubes and the inner opaque cylinder hides the squishing action on the silks in the clear tube as the outer opaque tube + is lowerd onto the clear tube.

I certainly get a great reaction from the effect (but then I'm guessing the single opaque tube goes over well too).

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The one Laflin is selling appears to be the Ickle Pickle version.
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On 2014-01-13 15:11, Mary Mowder wrote:
The Double tubes work like Buddha Tubes and the inner opaque cylinder hides the squishing action on the silks in the clear tube as the outer opaque tube + is lowerd onto the clear tube.
Great point, Mary. I hadn't thought of that, since I've always held the bottom of the opaque tube with my thumb and first finger, allowing the back of my hand to hide the "squishing action." So, a double tube might serve a definite purpose in that respect. See... now that's why you get the big bucks. Smile
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I wish! LOL

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I have a "double tube" version and I have NEVER used the extra tube. Just seems superfluous. You know, the old don't run if you ain't being chased thing ...
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I'm certainly not talking about you Starrpower (How could I? I've never seen your act.) but "Don't run if you're not being chased" is often used to avoid the work or thought of covering an obvious flaw in an effect.

I've seen shows where the Magic was obvious and the Magician never knew it. The audience seemed to think, "Oh well, it is what it is." and never said a word.
Nobody will bother to chase you if they just don't care.

I'm just saying, whenever we are thinking, "Don't run if…" we should give it a little extra thought or at least take a look in the mirror from the audiences position.

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I've been using the double tube for over 40 years! I have used Grant, Chalet and another that I recently bought used and do not know the manufacturer. I think that for the most part, the single tube looks exactly like what you are actually doing (with one exception being where the transformation, etc., isn't immediate)! I strongly feel that the double tube throws the sudience off!

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Marty Hahn at Dazzling Magic makes a beautiful double tube crystal silk cylinder. I think you have to specifically order the second tube from him, but we have it and it is the best!

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Thanks Nanci, I saw Dazzling Magic's single tube and really liked it. Its great to hear I may be able to get a double tube version. I will have to check with him.

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On 2014-01-13 21:52, Starrpower wrote:
I have a "double tube" version and I have NEVER used the extra tube. Just seems superfluous. You know, the old don't run if you ain't being chased thing ...


Agreed. Audience focus should be on the silks in the main tube, not the cover (think dove pan).
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I have Dazzling Magic's CSC and I love it. I initially wanted the extra tube but decided not to get it because of the size. Having the extra tube requires a larger outer tube with the Dazzling model. Not really the case with most other models.
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You'd love my show, Mary. I'm awesome!

I think the trick in its basic form is more deceptive than one might think. I'm willing to bet that a lot of people think something comes from underneath. Regardless, the main focus should be on presentation and entertainment, not I mechanics. We should use what we are comfortable with.
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Nanci, thanks again. I spoke with Marty and he his going to make me a second tube to go with his cylinder.

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Single or double tube, I found the best received presentation for me is when the transformation reveal is "delayed". I change a cane into a black and white silk, place the white into the black and then place both into the crystal cylinder. Cover the cylinder with the tubes and remove. It seems to the audience as if nothing has happened until the black silk is taken out and the audience then sees that the white silk has transformed into a dove.
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In my birthday show I use a chick pan to make a birthday cake, but we wind up with two small silks and a birhtday cake silk plus a hat coil. Since we cannae eat this birthday cake, the three silks then go into a crystal silk cylinder. Helper's arm goes into the small tube, then this tube dropped into larger tube. Larger tube now gets the arm treatment,and then it goes over the crystal tube/silks. Last of all goes the smaller tube/load. The presense of the larger tube covers the crushing of the three silks when the smaller tube/load are dropped in, helpful in a family room venue. Final load is mini-tootsie rolls (same ones for about 25 years now).
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A double tube is a principle:

Organ Pipes
Rices Silk Production
Kuma Tubes

The difference is: the three above don't have a clear tube to hold the final load. The clear tube allows you to produce objects that would normally fall over (in addition to it being a focal point.

Imagine Kuma Tubes with one solid tube and one clear tube. Can't be done.
What would a Square Circle look like with just one tube, would you just turn it around and make productions? The addition of the cut-outs aids in the illusion but a square circle still needs the second tube.

There are a lot of tricks and illusions where the production is behind or to the side of one object and transferred to another.... Look at it as a principle:

Victory Cartons have two tubes (Cube Squared is a modern version)
Why not do the stage size, Find The Lady Production with one card and one assistant?
The Vampire illusion works similar to Victory Cartons, just sideways like Find The Lady.
Why have double doors on the Mummy Case, if two places to hide (and transfer the hidden object) are not needed?
Why use more then one tube for your Multiplying Bottles? There is no need to place that empty tube over a bottle which was already produced, right?

It's a principle to use a second tube or cover....... whether the performer has the skill to use it, is another issue.
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