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Where is your answer to my question Bob?

What other “carbon” emissions are you talking about Bob?
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On Apr 17, 2014, mastermindreader wrote:
I see tommy remains fixated on the idea that all carbon emissions are CO2 and that they are beneficial.

Like I said, some remain immune to science and reason.

Leave your car running in a closed garage for a while and tell me how good it is for the atmosphere in the garage.


If all carbon emissions are not CO2 then what other "carbon" emissions you talking about Bob?
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Why is it have d to weigh benefits globally yet so easy to project disaster?
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Fact: The world will come to an end. WHEN is the question.
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10 or more years ago according to warmers.

Which must have happened because 95% their scientists said it would.
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Tommy- rather than asking the same question over and over again, why not read what I already posted.

Is carbon MONOXIDE a carbon emission? Last I looked it was. It is not a greenhouse gas, but I'm sure you're aware it is poisonous. (Or do you think that's good for us as well?)

But, as the information you choose to ignore indicates, there are additional greenhouse gasses as well.

Reading is fundamental.
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I am sorry Bob. I mistakenly thought your quote was from what I had put up, which I had already read and so I never read your quote from wiki but only read your words and thought you were avoiding my question.

There is difference between CO-carbon monoxide and CO2-carbon dioxide:
CO and CO2 – What’s the difference?

It’s easy to understand why people confuse CO-carbon monoxide and CO2-carbon dioxide. The names sound the same, they both are colorless and odorless gases, and at high concentration, both can kill you.
The media doesn’t help. Back in the old days, movies taught us that you could commit suicide by sticking a garden hose in your car’s tailpipe and window, then gunning the motor till the CO put you to sleep. Today they tell us the car’s tailpipe is a major source of the greenhouse gas CO2.
It’s important that you understand the difference:
About Carbon Monoxide
CO does not occur naturally in the atmosphere
CO is the result of oxygen-starved combustion in improperly ventilated fuel-burning appliances such as oil and gas furnaces, gas water heaters, gas ovens, gas or kerosene space heaters, fire places and wood stoves
CO is generated by any gasoline engine that DOES NOT use a catalytic converter
It is the most common type of fatal poisoning in many countries
CO Recommended Levels
OSHA limits long-term workplace exposure levels to 50ppm (parts per million)
Symptoms of mild CO poisoning include headaches and dizziness at concentrations less than 100ppm
Concentrations as low as 700ppm can be life-threatening
About Carbon Dioxide
CO2 occurs naturally in the atmosphere, and is required for plant life
CO2 is a natural byproduct of human and animal respiration, fermentation, chemical reactions, and combustion of fossil fuels and wood
CO2 is generated by any gasoline engine that DOES use a catalytic converter
CO2 poisoning is rare; however scuba divers have to watch out for it (the bends)
CO2 Recommended Levels
385ppm is the current average on the planet
ASHRAE recommends a 1,000ppm limit for office buildings and classrooms
OSHA limits long-term workplace exposure levels to 5,000ppm
Drowsiness can occur at 10,000ppm – common in closed cars or auditoriums
Symptoms of mild CO2 poisoning include headaches and dizziness at concentrations less than 30,000ppm (3%)
At 80,000ppm (8%) CO2 can be life-threatenin

http://www.co2meter.com/blogs/news/12099......fference
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I am not as I see it but me and the Rockefeller are both out for population control and our only difference lies is in who we should kill.

Nope, you're always on the same side, supporting fossil fuels and centralized energy sources.

Bu,t of course, you know, that though you may be on their side, they are not on yours.
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You say prepare for the worst. Here is where it gets tricky. What do you think needs to be done to prepare. Carbon tax? Government intervention and making it so oil companies can't operate? What do you consider reasonable things to be done to "prepare for the worst"?



Clearly, we can't legislate away the use of fossil fuels, unless there is a suitable and economically viable alternative. Which at present, there isn't. But we'll have to move in that direction eventually, for reasons that go beyond climate change and involve considerations of national security.

If we continue on the path we're on, we'll either have to increasingly cut deals that empower nations hostile to our interests, or we'll wind up in a dangerous cycle of boom and bust as regional politics and wars dictate the price of our energy. If viable alternatives to fossil fuels are possible, it seems that the quickest catalyst would be simultaneously increasing the cost of carbon fuels to reflect the externalities of their effect on the environment, while investing whatever it takes to promote alternatives that currently are not economically viable, but may be in the future. The private sector isn't very good at long-range planning like that, due to the nature of quarterly business cycles, but will be quick to capitalize on potential profits if our governments lay down some seed money. The Internet, as well as everything involving satellites and GPS technology are proof of that. Even Bell Labs, which brought us the transistor, lasers, the UNIX operating system (the basis for Apple's OS), CDMA digital cellular telephone technology etc., was made possible by an initial government grant and subsequent government contracts.

So basically I'm agreeing with you that we can't just ban current technologies. But we can make them more expensive to reflect their true societal cost, while investing heavily in future technologies. There will be some Solyndras, to be sure, but the eventual successes will have the potential to change the world.
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The world has changed many times. It will do so better if government gets out of the way.
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That is the free-market mantra, but it ignores the government's role in making markets work. In a true free market society, there would be no patents, no copyright protections, no courts to enforce contracts - all of those things are creations of the government, and they are the bedrock upon which private industry exists.

And of course, there would also have been no transcontinental railroad system without government land grants, no highways without the exercise of eminent domain, no checks on organized crime, no protections against foreign governments nationalizing overseas interests, no modern navigation systems, no recognized borders or defense from foreign invasion, no protections against bank failures, no internationally fungible currency, etc.

If you're speaking in geologic terms, yes the world has changed many times. But humans haven't been around long enough to have experienced the biggest changes, and there's no guarantee we'll survive the next. The earth will do fine, with or without us. That's not the issue.
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I am saying for example the government did not invent the car.

As for geologic terms yes the world has changed. Many times.

I still ask what exact temp is everyone looking for? What is the perfect world and what regulations will help us achieve that?
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We aren't looking for a perfect temperature. The temperature can't be controlled that way. We are hoping to slow down the process of global warming so that the worst effects are avoided if possible.
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Well said, Pop!

Danny -

No, the government did not invent the car. But I think we can agree that cars would be pretty useless if the government hadn't spent hundreds of billions of dollars building roads everywhere. Yes, there are some private toll roads, but generally only of the profitable turnpike variety, rather than the ones we rely on to get us from our house to the grocery and hardware stores. And let's face it, there are few industries in which the government is more involved than the automobile industry - everything from safety regulations, fuel efficiency standards, consumer protection, testing and licensing of drivers, and bailing out huge auto companies that would otherwise have gone ta-ta's up (GM). And again, the government is involved in all aspects of patent, trademark, copyright and contract enforcement that make the auto industry viable. In addition, recent developments such as the opposed-piston, two stroke internal combustion design were initially seeded by government contracts.

The perfect temp? Probably pretty close to our historical averages over the last couple of hundred years. Anything much different than that is going to require some major infrastructure and food supply adaptations, the expense of which will dwarf whatever it would've cost to invest in cleaner energy.

What regulations will help us achieve that? Great question, but (1) way too big for one person to answer, and (2) it presupposes that people agree that there's an issue that needs to be addressed. As you can see from this thread, as well the numbingly repetitive debates in Congress and on Sunday morning talk shows, we're not even there yet.
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Nope, its you that that do not understand what side Rockefeller nor the big oil are on or what they want. the Rockefeller is behind the warming scam. He set up the Club of Rome which came up global warming and all the things the water melons are asking for. Now ask why he would want all that before coming out with your nonsense go and read what the Rockefeller is asking for himself.
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This says it all:

Earth Serially Doomed: UN Issues New 15 ......in 1989!

Flashback 2007: New Zealand Scientist on...... 5 Years

It doesn't matter, we'll blow ourselves up long before any climate change.

I'm moving to Kepler 186f.
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In short what the Rockefeller and Co is after is a monopoly of “all” there is. Once he has that control, then the Rockefeller has the power to tell you the peasants what and how much you can have and what you must do to live at all. Much better for the Rockefeller than buying and selling isn't it? The UN are demanding Global Governance of all resources on planet earth. The UN is the the Rockefeller. Why do you think the Rockefeller and Co want your governments to sign all resources over to the control of the UN? Well why, why he is trying to save the planet that's why! Yeah right. When that penny drops with you, then let me know. Until then Kay, you can carry thinking that the Big oil boys are against the warming scam.
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Just when I thought I was out, they keep pulling me in!

They, like all Capitalists, play both sides if there's money to be made. See, tommy we actually agree on quite a bit. I just like to call them for what they are--Capitalists. You label them socialists and thus by implication denigrate the one thing that can possibly fight big money-- the power of a lot of unrich people banding together and deciding democratically what will benefit *themselves* for a change. Historically, that's been the only way to stop the b*stards. When you close your eyes as to who the enemy really is, you make bad alliances and get stabbed in the back.
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When you close your eyes as to who the enemy really is, you make bad alliances and get stabbed in the back.


Do we really know who the enemy is? Majority has a tendency to rule.
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