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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On Oct 6, 2014, Ray Tupper. wrote: They weren't expecting 12 year olds to join.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Bob, folks are buying big cars, filling up gastanks and oiltanks and most I've met are eager for better affortable technology.
what do you have? You read minds - what do you read as persuasive? So far public spending is just making us pay for unpopular wars which consume lots of fuel and do not generate much clean energy or good will. yeah I know Pop Hayden has cool magnetic water but so far that's not generating electricity ... though that might be funny, Whit.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I don't own a car, Jonathan. But what you are writing once again avoids the very simple statement I've made- ocean temperatures continue to rise. That is an empirical fact that is conveniently being ignored in this thread.
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On Oct 6, 2014, HudsonView wrote: Ummm, you DO know what AGW stand for, don't you? Quote:
On Oct 6, 2014, HudsonView wrote: I guess that shows how in the face of all evidence to the contrary, people will still buy into the hysteria. Quote:
On Oct 6, 2014, HudsonView wrote: LOL. This almost had me on the floor. Yeah, you better hurry and get out. They'll probably be over your head in a few years! |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Oil companies are doing very well and your rhetoric of alarmism under guise of empiricism (hint: the empire uses lots of oil) is not helping folks do something different. Even if chicken little is correct, that does not help so much when the fox owns the henhouse.
please be persuasive. what would be meaningful?
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HudsonView New user 98 Posts |
"LOL. This almost had me on the floor. Yeah, you better hurry and get out. They'll probably be over your head in a few years! "
Actually, I've spent the last couple of years helping people recover from Sandy. My wife's cousin's home was destroyed, my best friend who lived right on the hudson lost everything. Twice. Once the year before sandy when we had, what is turning into, our annual "hundred year storm". His house was condemned and bulldozed. the jersey shore where my wife's family has been vacationing for over 60 years has been completely destroyed and far from coming back. Unfortunately, those of us who live here in the northeast don't have the luxury of being so ignorant of what is going on in the world. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Do we have any precedent to change something in light of mathematical modeling? Most of use see the sun as rising in the morning and setting at night even if we "know" that the earth orbits the sun. Rhetoric is about finding persuasive arguments in a situation. Okay, what's persuasive?
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
The rise in sea temperatures is empirical and has nothing whatsoever to do with mathematical modeling.
Simple question. Yes or no answer- Are sea temperatures steadily rising and is the resulting thermal expansion causing sea levels to rise? How is it even possible to consider causes and solutions when one refuses to recognize that something is even happening at all? |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Oct 6, 2014, HudsonView wrote: So your claim is storms never happened prior to AGW?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
Yeah, when I was a kid, I lived in Southern Florida which was hit by Hurricane Andrew years later and completely wiped out the neighborhood I lived in as a kid. Of course, I didn't try and attribute that to the scare tactics of the fear mongers. I knew it was a natural weather occurrence.
Maybe you missed the comments by Martin Hoerling, who chairs the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s climate variability research program. "[N]either the frequency of tropical or extratropical cyclones over the North Atlantic are projected to appreciably change due to climate change, nor have there been indications of a change in their statistical behavior over this region in recent decades" "In this case, the immediate cause [of Hurricane Sandy] is most likely little more than the coincidental alignment of a tropical storm with an extratropical storm. Both frequent the west Atlantic in October, … nothing unusual with that. On rare occasions their timing is such as to result in an interaction which can lead to an extreme event along the eastern seaboard.” Hey, but if you want to deny the science, go ahead. |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On Oct 6, 2014, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: You probably missed these quotes from the NASA study: "The temperature of the top half of the world's oceans -- above the 1.24-mile mark -- is still climbing, but not fast enough to account for the stalled air temperatures." " One of the most prominent ideas is that the bottom half of the ocean is taking up the slack, but supporting evidence is slim. " |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
So far there's little precedent to arguing from reason or accepting "end of the world" as a way of persuading our society at large.
If fact, if facts matter, there've been such EOTW scares every few years for as long as I can remember. From the nuclear clock at minutes to midnight to Y2K - and yet such things have lead only to tragedies like Jonestown and Wacco in the news with financial bubbles in the market and wars in places we are not so welcome. I respect your choice not to own a car. Arguing for better technology doesn't require falling skies. Do facts have no meaning without empowered judgment?
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
There was car at Paris motor show the other day which ran air incidentally. Many people will not be able to afford to run a car soon anyway.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Rockwall, that is interesting. I'll see if I can pick up the main research article.
I could very well be wrong about the "stall". The graph very clearly shows that the 1998 starting point is simply a cherry-pick. There appear to be other factors at play, and probably many many that I don't understand. It could be that even without the data abuse, there is still less air warming than expected. Perhaps I'll learn more in the next few days. I am pleased to see you putting your weight behind so many scientific studies that state unequivocally that greenhouse gases are warming the earth, Rockwall. Welcome aboard.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
Well, I couldn't very well post a study by the Heartland Institute to get you to admit you were wrong, now could I?
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
So the hens tell the fox... Okay you are correct the sky is falling. And so the fox tells the theme to build the henhouse anew with a bigger roof to protect the hens and bigger doorways and open frame windows falling sky won't break glass. of course it was understood that a tiny minority of foxes would exploit the more vulnerable chickens but new systems have new problems.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Climatic warfare’ potentially threatens the future of humanity.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/weather-war......are/7561
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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please be persuasive. what would be meaningful? Here are a bunch of ideas, examples, models to play with: https://solutions.thischangeseverything.org/
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HudsonView New user 98 Posts |
"So your claim is storms never happened prior to AGW?"
funny. You think Sandy was just a storm. Sandy was just a shot over the bow for what is coming. Each year now I prepare for another sandy or worse. Everyone does. As I said, must be a blessing to that blind. No doubt you will be less blind by and by. |
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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3691 Posts |
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On Oct 6, 2014, tommy wrote: from http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch.ca: Globalresearch.ca (also under the domain name globalresearch.org) is the website of the Montreal-based non-profit The Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG) founded by Michel Chossudovsky. While many of Globalresearch's articles discuss legitimate humanitarian or environmental concerns, the site has a strong undercurrent of reality warping throughout its pages, especially in relation to taking its news from sources such as Russia Today. Its view of science, the economy and geopolitics seems to be broadly conspiracist. Whenever someone makes a remarkable claim and cites Globalresearch, they are almost certainly wrong. The website describes itself as an "independent research and media organization." Globalresearch considers itself to be a reliable "alternative news" source serving as a major repository of a broad range of "news articles, in-depth reports and analysis on issues which are barely covered by the mainstream media" (such as the New World Order). Its politico-economic stance is strongly anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist, anti-militarist, "internationalist but anti-globalization." |
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