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CarpetShark
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Came across a reference to this; anyone know where I can see a video or read up on this move ?

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Use Google there is a you tube of it
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Shark,

It's a nice move...You can almost definitely find this move covered in the NY Coin Guys DVDs. I'm sure Doc Rubinstein can point you in the right direction there as Geoff Latta was a charter member of the group and effort.

You are most likely to see it used in 3 Fly.

Look here at about the :27 mark for it used in the vanish of the last coin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iGQGNknHwM
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The original way it was done (from what I can recall of a panel discussion at one of the Conventions at the Captiol), was with a greater motion of the arm/ forearm, like you're making a really large "C" shape. It was not done at the wrist, though IMHO I like that technique a little better.

Check out Curtis Kam's work as well. I like the way he did it in Deceptions in Paradise at the end of his 3 fly routine, though he changed his technique in later videos.
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I did not know he called it a French Pop till we started to email back around 2001.
I don't recall him publishing the item before it got supposedly reinvented as a vanish done in a coinbox.
He showed it to me as a one handed "hang" action back at the Governor Caféteria IIRC .
He did not discuss using the action as part of a hand to hand transfer then.
He was surprised to find that item and his nowhere palm display got into print.
Sadly I did not get to ask for his feedback on my explorations, so perhaps that can happen in the literature after his work gets published as he wanted to use the item(s).
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The move was first published in the Kaufman book on Gary Kurtz's magic. Geoff always felt Gary ripped him off since the move was underground and Geoff showed it to people (and Gary at the first or second New York Magic Symposium)in confidence. he was mad at Kaufman who knew the move was Geoff's. The best way to learn the move is to see how Geoff teaches it. He uses it in his Trick With Three Coins which first appeared in the LVMI DVD (or Coinvention DVD,from 2003 ( one or the other). He also teaches the routine on the New York Coin Magic DVD series, in volume one.Its really a great move, and many people have used his idea( or something very similar) in their own three fly routine.
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Thank you very much Dr. R, Mb, ftlum and Jonathan for your posts, particularly for references to other vids of this move. I find it amazing that you guys know so much of the history of these actions, who originated them, and who didn't! Most days I'm doing well to remember where I live....but that's another story.
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Jon just pointed out to me that Kurtz put the nowhere palm in the book without permission, not the French pop. I cant reference this because my library is packed. Sorry if I gave misinformation.I will check with Gallo to see who first printed the pop.
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I THINK Latta's French Pop was first released in Kenner's booklet called Three Fly, then later in his book TOOC.
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I was fortunate enough to attend two of the NYCM Symposiums in which Geoff was present. Those are memories that will stay with me forever. Thank you Dr. Rubinstein for assembling those seminars as it was a day of magic at the highest caliber. I was able to put a little twist on Geoff's French Pop move where the coin goes directly into JW grip with no movement of the fingers. I showed it to Eric Jones back in 2008. However, I am just glad that I got to see some of Geoff's magic in person.

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Can I ask something? Why, after doing the french pop, would you put the coin into JW grip?
I can see maybe putting it into a back thumb palm, but the french pop vanish is so beautiful there is no reason to adjust, the way I see it, which of course is my limited view.
Just asking, really, don't mean to seem callous.
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My reading of Bill's post was that he has a handling of the vanish that takes the coin directly to JWG rather than doing a transfer from FP after Latta's inertial transfer.
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I see value in going directly into JW Grip. Not sure what you're confused about.

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I'm confused in general every day life, really. Going for an MRI tonight on my head, guess I cant bring coins.

Anyway, I feel the french pop works best just as it is. Adjusting the coin or doing the vanish so it ends up in jwg is confusing to me, I mean what's wrong with the coin just remaining in finger palm? JWG is a very angley way to hold out. I love experimenting, and since this works for him, that's awesome.
Still, I'm confused.
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I guess it can depend upon what you're doing next, but in general, I agree pretty much with you on this fonda. But as always, to each his own. Smile
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Fonda, Mazel Tov on your MRI. Let us know what they find, G-d willing it will be something small.
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I can see the benefit in some cases of doing the French Pop and going into JW Grip. I don't think it would be appropriate in all circumstances though.

Through my own experimentation with the French Pop, I've modified the grip so that the move is able to be done at the fingertips versus French Drop position. It has a great burn and you're still able to show your hand empty. If anyone has the NYCMS DVDs it is in my handling of the Hanging Coins. I'm away from my collection at the moment so I can't think of which volume it is off the top of my head. It's also published in COINsomnia as well.

Is as far as the French Pop is concerned there are certainly some finer points that people should observe in the execution of the move. I've seen it done really good and also really bad. The good Dr. Rubinstein brings up a good point for those interested in learning the move. They really should looked into the videos of Latta recorded where he performs it. A lot to learn there.
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Bill Citino, true my friend, yes it is not appropriate to use JW in all circumstances. Jonathan Townsend hit the nail on the head, coin goes via inertia. Most magicians when holding a coin in FD position and want it to go to JW Grip use the thumb to get it there. I experimented and found that the mechanics of Geoff's move can get it to JW with no thumb or finger movement.

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Paddy, thank you. MRI went well, results will be next week.

I like Three Coins Hanging from Bill Citino's book.
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