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Some have the Box some use the Fob others use a paperclip or envelope. All of these items offer a more practical s***** for the magician because the prop in use aids in the move. However what is more magical? Seemingly an empty hand picking up a card that has been on view from the beginning with no prop. Until this day you still have magicians that think he had to fake the demo even after they have seen the live demo of him doing the same moves.

This will take practice this is not self working Shin's card skills are awesome and he is a very creative thinker. Some want their magic handed it to them ready to go. Some have written here that they were going to sale it after watching the DVD and not even willing to put any time in to learn the workings. If you don't like the method for the Switch then fine it's not for you but I doubt you will ever see a cleaner way to s***** out a card in view using no apperant props.


For Me the demo was "mimed".

Nothing was left out and you saw everything a spectator would see if the trick was performed perfectly, sort of like when a singer mimes to their own song.

But what's telling in the teaching DVD is how much concentration Shin puts into folding the chosen card before demoing the Switch..And yet in real life a MCF is supposed to get the job done?

So we are then left with the simple version where you visibly fold up the chosen card, vanish it and miraculously it switches with the tabled card, the card only you are able to touch, which sort of leads the spectator to an obvious conclusion no matter how slick the switch.

The complicated , counter intuitive method that is demoed is hugely impractical for me, and for most people it seems. The simple method you could do without the Switch gimmicks.

Incidentally, in the live version I thought he 100% covers the card when the s####### happens, it looks nothing like the demo.


try this routine:

tell the spectator to put their hand over your special folded mystery card.

get the spectator to pick a card and sign it.

fold their card.

do a shuttle pass and hand the spectator a folded up blank card that has the word "special" writen on it. tell them to put it in their pocket. if you can do a convincing shuttle pass, they'll think that they are putting their folded up signed card in their pocket. they are also unlikely to try to unfold it because their other hand is on the mystery card.

tell them to lift their hand up. show them that the card under their hand is their signed card. ask what happened to your special card. they reach in their pocket to find your card that says "speical" on it.

so it's basically a very cool two card transpo. looks impromtu... should seem very impossible to the spectator.

i probably wouldn't play it up very big. I would just act very casually. so that everything seems very relaxed and fair... and the trick is basically over before the spectator realizes that it even started. you can just say "take you hand off my speical card" and then you go to unfold it and boom, it's their card and the trick is done. and they'll be like "ok wait a second here... I had my hand over this card the whole time, and I put my signed card in my pocket.... so how the heck did my signed card get under my hand since I was covering the card before I signed the other one... wtf".


or better yet... you pick a card and sign it (and you can write a number on the card between 1 and 1000 that the spectator names). then shuttle pass to your mystery card. spec puts their hand over the mystery card (thinking it's the card the magician just signed). then the spectator picks a card and signs it... you do another shuttle pass. give the spec the card to put in their pocket (really the card you signed) and they think it's the card they just signed. get them to lift up their hand, and reveal that the mystery card was their signed card and your signed card is in their pocket.

i think the shuttle pass works a lot better than doing a bad vanish of a folded card. even with the great sleight of hand skills of shin lim, the vanish of a folded card is not too convincing... I assume most spectators will think it's in your other hand.
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Any card is chosen no force. The card is signed and you take and show that the card is placed in the middle of the deck. You show their card is not on the bottom or the top of the deck you sanp you're fingers and riffle the deck toward the mystery card that was out before they selected their card. You set the deck down and pu the mystery card and remind them that it was in plain view and you never came close to it. You set the card down and now with a show of both hands empty you once again pu the mystery card and unfold it showing it's their signed card.
. This is the Switch, anything else is not. If you don't like this fine if you think other methods are better suited to you're taste fine but at least describe the Switch honestly. You're description of folding the card and then vanishing it in front of the spectators is only the basic handling. Not what Shin or I would use.
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Any card is chosen no force. The card is signed and you take and show that the card is placed in the middle of the deck. You show their card is not on the bottom or the top of the deck you sanp you're fingers and riffle the deck toward the mystery card that was out before they selected their card. You set the deck down and pu the mystery card and remind them that it was in plain view and you never came close to it. You set the card down and now with a show of both hands empty you once again pu the mystery card and unfold it showing it's their signed card.
. This is the Switch, anything else is not. If you don't like this fine if you think other methods are better suited to you're taste fine but at least describe the Switch honestly. You're description of folding the card and then vanishing it in front of the spectators is only the basic handling. Not what Shin or I would use.


So have you used the full version in performance, Phil ?

How did it go. ?
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Drphil, I beg to differ - That is merely the main routine to demo the switch.

But what The Switch is, is that it is well... A Switch.
A folded card, that can be anywhere is cleanly taken and unfolded to be the spectators signed card.

You can do an ambitious to MCF to The switch, you can use it as a prediction of some thought of phrases. You can use it as a reveal of the lottery after the card as been sealed at some clients place.

As you can see, my point is that this is a utility move allowing you to somehow change a half folded card to an other card cleanly... well "cleanly".
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Ray: yes I have but not professionally, I showed it to some friends after work. The main reason I used this was because the day before I had used the Fob. And so I figured it would blow them away when they asked to see it again. This time I told them upfront I didn't need the key fob. They were skeptical. This is how I did it. I use a Aronson stack and can easily force the card by asking for any number from 1 to 52. Secretly cut the deck as I remove the cards from the box. I have a secret method that makes this work.The number they count to was pre creased to make the MFC perfect. The Rest was a simple control of the card and follow Shins moves. It went great. When I picked up the card I reminded them that this card was out before I had even asked for their number then I placed it back down and showed both hands empty. I picked up the folded card and handed it to them. They couldn't believe it was their signed card. While they were looking amazed at their signed card I grabbed the marker ad put it in my pocket a the same time d****** the dirty. Ending clean.
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To laypeople, the Sankey switch is so powerful. Even though a magician might be impressed with The Switch, the effect on laypeople, IMO, is just as strong. I don't see any reason to take a giant step backward, given the restrictions in The Switch, for something that will make absolutely no difference to laypeople.

Too many magicians are focusing way too much energy trying to impress and fool other magicians.

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Some have the Box some use the Fob others use a paperclip or envelope. All of these items offer a more practical s***** for the magician because the prop in use aids in the move. However what is more magical? Seemingly an empty hand picking up a card that has been on view from the beginning with no prop. Until this day you still have magicians that think he had to fake the demo even after they have seen the live demo of him doing the same moves.

This will take practice this is not self working Shin's card skills are awesome and he is a very creative thinker. Some want their magic handed it to them ready to go. Some have written here that they were going to sale it after watching the DVD and not even willing to put any time in to learn the workings. If you don't like the method for the Switch then fine it's not for you but I doubt you will ever see a cleaner way to s***** out a card in view using no apperant props.


For Me the demo was "mimed".

Nothing was left out and you saw everything a spectator would see if the trick was performed perfectly, sort of like when a singer mimes to their own song.

But what's telling in the teaching DVD is how much concentration Shin puts into folding the chosen card before demoing the Switch..And yet in real life a MCF is supposed to get the job done?

So we are then left with the simple version where you visibly fold up the chosen card, vanish it and miraculously it switches with the tabled card, the card only you are able to touch, which sort of leads the spectator to an obvious conclusion no matter how slick the switch.

The complicated , counter intuitive method that is demoed is hugely impractical for me, and for most people it seems. The simple method you could do without the Switch gimmicks.

Incidentally, in the live version I thought he 100% covers the card when the s####### happens, it looks nothing like the demo.


Yeah ti seems maybe if this is ok then we can start using video editing fr a demo and that would be ok too.

Like After Effects or something.
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I like to use different methods. It's fun to come up with more creative ways to do things. Sometimes I do a pass for my A.C.R. sometimes I don't. I enjoy taking chances because I don't perform professionally. I'm not showing this for other magicians but for my friends and myself. I can't keep showing a pappercliped card s***** just because it's more practical for me. The Switch is new and allows me to have a different method. I disagree that it's a step backwards. For me it's a step forward.
If you want a very easy effect that looks great get Special Delivery. You don't have to use a folded card and their signed card comes out of an envelope in plain view from the start. To the layman just as baffeling so why bother learning the MCF. Why bother memorizing a deck ,why practice,Why focus my energy I thought the idea was to impress. If you can impress other magicians don't you think you will impress layman also.
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DrPhil,
I appreciate your opinion and it is valid. However, I try to focus more on the entertainment, not the method. For me, it is a step backward. I like using different methods, but methods that create a totally different experience for the participant.

for example, someone on the café came up with a routine that uses a MD, and ID, and The Code to arrive at the same thought of card three different ways. For me, that is an awesome way to use three different methods.

KJ
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To laypeople, the Sankey switch is so powerful. Even though a magician might be impressed with The Switch, the effect on laypeople, IMO, is just as strong. I don't see any reason to take a giant step backward, given the restrictions in The Switch, for something that will make absolutely no difference to laypeople.

Too many magicians are focusing way too much energy trying to impress and fool other magicians.

KJ


I could not agree more.
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Kj: you are right I do work a lot on different methods to perform the same effect. But I also like to do this with all my magic. For me magic is a hobby and I like all types I like to practice full routines and use a verity of effects. All with the intent to entertain. I also work out scripts that I hope helps to entertain and elevate the effect. What attracted me to magic was trying to make it look as impossible as I could. I really like sneaky methods or effects that seem impossible to me. It has to fool me first or at least fit with my style.
The Switch is just another effect. I've read all the reviews and most have valid points the DVD was terrible the teaching was boring the background music was loud and unpleasant. But the idea was new,cleaver and saeaky. And if you work with it it's challenging but not that hard.
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DrPhil,

Awesome! I hope you enjoy it. Is sounds like you will.

While I do some shows, I also consider myself somewhat of a hobbyist. I've been a hobbyist for several decades now. There is something very satisfying about magic. Perhaps its the challenge combined with the entertainment and amazement people get with a well performed effect or routine.

KJ
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In line with my comment in another thread about how now, since the De facto standard has become putting out tricks that are not ready and I need to shop not only on other factors but on which shop has come up with the best additions to a trick (which should have been included prior to release), has anyone gotten the additional video from MagicGeek where they claim to show you how to make another gimmick with the included materials which will

"make the trick a lot easier."
"easier to carry around"
"easier to do the vanishes"
"easier to do all of the set up moves that you have to do in front of your audience"

"basically make the trick self-working."
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The Magic Geek has a video review of The Switch. Where he answers some basic questions and gives his thoughts on what he likes about this. It sounds like he has worked out some of the problem areas that some have complained about. However in order to get his ideas on a special gimmick he has come up with you need to purchase The Switch from the Magic Geek.
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The Magic Geek also includes instructions to build what they believe to be a missing piece, some sort of additional gimmick.

I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, you could say the developer didn't think this through. On the other hand, sometimes people (including dealers), come up with new ways, better ways, different ways or using the idea. All in all, I think it is pretty clever of dealers to come up with add-ons to the products.

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In line with my comment in another thread about how now, since the De facto standard has become putting out tricks that are not ready and I need to shop not only on other factors but on which shop has come up with the best additions to a trick (which should have been included prior to release), has anyone gotten the additional video from MagicGeek where they claim to show you how to make another gimmick with the included materials which will

"make the trick a lot easier."
"easier to carry around"
"easier to do the vanishes"
"easier to do all of the set up moves that you have to do in front of your audience"

"basically make the trick self-working."


Hey, Amazing Bart,

I saw your video on the color changing card on your website. I really liked it! I also really like your handling. As a magician, obviously, I could tell how you did each step (Not that you flashed anything, because you didn't), but I really like the simplicity of the handling and how powerful it was for your audience. It seems like this would be a perfect effect using a borrowed deck (and a certain extra card in your pocket). VERY NICE.

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In line with my comment in another thread about how now, since the De facto standard has become putting out tricks that are not ready and I need to shop not only on other factors but on which shop has come up with the best additions to a trick (which should have been included prior to release), has anyone gotten the additional video from MagicGeek where they claim to show you how to make another gimmick with the included materials which will

"make the trick a lot easier."
"easier to carry around"
"easier to do the vanishes"
"easier to do all of the set up moves that you have to do in front of your audience"

"basically make the trick self-working."


Hey, Amazing Bart,

I saw your video on the color changing card on your website. I really liked it! I also really like your handling. As a magician, obviously, I could tell how you did each step (Not that you flashed anything, because you didn't), but I really like the simplicity of the handling and how powerful it was for your audience. It seems like this would be a perfect effect using a borrowed deck (and a certain extra card in your pocket). VERY NICE.

KJ


Thanks.
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The Magic Geek also includes instructions to build what they believe to be a missing piece, some sort of additional gimmick.

I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, you could say the developer didn't think this through. On the other hand, sometimes people (including dealers), come up with new ways, better ways, different ways or using the idea. All in all, I think it is pretty clever of dealers to come up with add-ons to the products.

KJ


Mark from Saturn Magic frequently adds bonus pages with his additional thoughts, tips and handlings. I think its a great idea and I'm glad to see others like Magic Geek doing this as well.

The one major downside is if they come up with an amazing idea, its limited to only their customers who purchased from them... while that's a great incentive to buy from that dealer, it hurts the effect overall that it cant be widely shared with those who purchased it.

Ideally, I would love for creators to offer a website or forum with a unique access code that is included in the product packaging where those who purchased the trick (from any dealer) can login and share or view alternative handlings, enhancements, etc. We kind of have that here "downstairs", but its not the same.
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The Magic Geek also includes instructions to build what they believe to be a missing piece, some sort of additional gimmick.

I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, you could say the developer didn't think this through. On the other hand, sometimes people (including dealers), come up with new ways, better ways, different ways or using the idea. All in all, I think it is pretty clever of dealers to come up with add-ons to the products.

KJ


Mark from Saturn Magic frequently adds bonus pages with his additional thoughts, tips and handlings. I think its a great idea and I'm glad to see others like Magic Geek doing this as well.

The one major downside is if they come up with an amazing idea, its limited to only their customers who purchased from them... while that's a great incentive to buy from that dealer, it hurts the effect overall that it cant be widely shared with those who purchased it.

Ideally, I would love for creators to offer a website or forum with a unique access code that is included in the product packaging where those who purchased the trick (from any dealer) can login and share or view alternative handlings, enhancements, etc. We kind of have that here "downstairs", but its not the same.


Excellent thought! I was thinking the same thing.

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The Magic Geek also includes instructions to build what they believe to be a missing piece, some sort of additional gimmick.

I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, you could say the developer didn't think this through. On the other hand, sometimes people (including dealers), come up with new ways, better ways, different ways or using the idea. All in all, I think it is pretty clever of dealers to come up with add-ons to the products.

KJ


Mark from Saturn Magic frequently adds bonus pages with his additional thoughts, tips and handlings. I think its a great idea and I'm glad to see others like Magic Geek doing this as well.

The one major downside is if they come up with an amazing idea, its limited to only their customers who purchased from them... while that's a great incentive to buy from that dealer, it hurts the effect overall that it cant be widely shared with those who purchased it.

Ideally, I would love for creators to offer a website or forum with a unique access code that is included in the product packaging where those who purchased the trick (from any dealer) can login and share or view alternative handlings, enhancements, etc. We kind of have that here "downstairs", but its not the same.


Some creators have started Facebook groups to do exactly this. I think it's a great idea, and you can truly freely discuss things. Even downstairs, people are guarded about what they say.
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