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Fire Starter Inner circle 4809 Posts |
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On 2014-02-17 13:09, saysold1 wrote: To true a word there. |
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lunatik Inner circle 3222 Posts |
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On 2014-02-17 13:09, saysold1 wrote: It could be that he didn't like their jobber rates. A lot of these companies charge up the wahzoo!
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Jay Elf Elite user 466 Posts |
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On 2014-02-16 15:39, James Adamson wrote: James Thanks for the info. It's sad to be unpublished if it'd be so good, anyway. @Jay@ |
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txshepherd New user 40 Posts |
Some say this trick requires skill and some say it is easy to do. On a scale of 1-10, would it be easy (one) or very hard and it requires a lot of skill (ten)? Thanks in advance.
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drphil Elite user 443 Posts |
By using one of the professional magic Componies He would loose money or control. This is the least expensive and most profitable way to release a magic effect. Shin obviously must know his DVDs need improving but is not willing to change. He is very creative and has excellent skills as a magician. You now should know what to expect with this. The reviews have been spot by the ones who have this.
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Saturn UK Inner circle 2658 Posts |
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On 2014-02-17 14:10, txshepherd wrote: Some of the reviews are only looking at this from the version they have chosen, different ones are shown. The version shown in the demo is the advanced version as you would expect, it's the easiest to start with but hardest to do, no set up is required in the deck, you could even borrow the deck if matched your gimmick. Most are choosing to do the easy version which is the version I am on at the moment and does require the chosen card to be set up ready in the deck, but as I handle this more I can see the advance version will take over this in time. The easy version is very easy to do, you just fold the card in front of them and make it disappear and do the switch, the version in the demo needs practice if you don't have those skills already, I don't mind saying I can't do it that well!! The concept is solid and works, it is practical especially if you make a few cards up and have them ready to add to your deck. The Any Card to Wallet UCC would be ideal to keep the card in until you want it. Our bonus tips will help you but this effect will need some practice, not much I've been doing it a few times a day on and off for about a week and I'm getting more comfortable with it. Those that have given up on this just remember the video you saw, it can be done as well as that so it's worth a bit of time. On a scale of 1-10 I would say the easy version is 4. I would say the advanced version 7-8 to learn from scratch but if you have the required card skills already it will be a lot easier. If you get this from us you also get access to our bonus page and telephone support if required, I'm loving it and will use it. http://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/new-magic/t......im-.html
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
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On 2014-02-17 13:56, lunatik wrote: When I started in Real Estate 21 years ago I had to pay a 50% split to my broker/mentor who taught me the business. Everyone has to pay their dues - but as seen in my Real Estate day job many want to skip the splits with experienced pros because they see themselves as incredibly talented and how stupid would it be to split money with anyone. Today's generation wants to take the short cut often rather than paying dues and learning from seasoned pros. At least it sounds like people like the method and creativity here - so kudos to Shin for that.
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Fire Starter Inner circle 4809 Posts |
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On 2014-02-17 15:03, Saturn UK wrote: Well said Mark ,you are spot on with describing it.It is a very good concept and I am in the process of making up the gimmick and will my self go for the basic handling first and then hopefully move on to the more advanced ,my MF is not too bad but I want to explore all carefully to start with. |
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Saturn UK Inner circle 2658 Posts |
Don't forget my tip about scoring the back of the card it makes a MCF fold very easy and neat every time.
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Dan McLean Inner circle Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur 1261 Posts |
I didn't plan to post again on this topic but a few observations.
Saysold1, you're OK. You did something no other nay sayer on this topic did. Well done sir. I doubt that crow has ever been eaten with more class. On to The Switch. I have performed it. Went to Starbucks where I always try out new material. No, I did not perform the version Shin Lim shows on the DVD. I never intended to. I understand his reasoning. It's a perfect vehicle to illustrate The Switch and good for dealers for demo. But I can't imagine why anyone who already does Paper Clipped would switch - pun intended - to Lim's method. Yeah it would be visually more impressive. And it takes the heat off a move I think is anything but easy. When I first began performing Paper Clipped, every pair of eyes at the table and a few they borrowed would watch my hand put the paper clip in my pocket. It takes practice to get that right. I still occasionally review Sankey's DVD. Bottom line is I don't believe the specs would notice the difference between Paper Clipped and The Switch. Maybe it you shoot off a gun first as an attention getter but in the real world environment there so much chattering and ambiant noice and spilled drinks, etc that I think the overall effect would be the same. Do the Switch and some will still think you switched it, squeeky clean hands and unfolding and all. But if you want to try Lin's method, here's a suggestion: Put a paper clip on the Mystery Card. You're covered. Worried that you MCF was not all you hoped for? Do Paper Clipped. You hit the MCF like a champ? Have the spectator take off the paper clip. Now do The Switch. Come to think of it what a great gag next time you're with your magic buds. Tell them you've got a new effect. Watch the eyes roll as you appear to be doing Paper Clipped. Then have them take the paper clip off! Yum. Don't tell them how you did it. Appear innocent. Tell them you did Paper Clipped. They'll argue. They'll yell. They'll make threats. Yum, yum!!! Just tell them it's the way you learned it. (Yeah, I think that way. I am a bit of a jerk.) My version of The Switch? Put a folded BILLET on the table. Chat amiably with the spec. Ask her who her first love was. Where was their first date. Then after a bit pluck the billet off the table and with squeeky clean hands and no false moves open the billet. Her name, her first loves' name and where their first date was is on it. If you're a fan of John Riggs, Banachek, Cassidy etc, you know exactly what I did. It's easy (for me) , no pesky MCF to worry about and reset takes 10 to 15 seconds. There is no sleight of hand method I know that can match that because with sleight of hand you're forced to do it at exactly the wrong time - when everyone is is burning you. I really don't care how good you think you are. Doing a move when you're burned is not smart. With The Switch, no problem. I will say I was worried at first. A billet lacks certain properties that a playing card has. If you own The Switch, you know what I mean. Using billets, you have to adjust. I do not drop the billet on the table after The Switch. That shows breathtaking optimism. Mirror work showed me the correct angles. I puck it off the table, unfold it and hand it out. Easy peasy. OK. I will now spend the rest of my day off playing WOW, watch my collection of "The Fringe" and once again go through Elliot Bresler's excellent Switchcraft for more inspiration. Good luck to all. D |
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Stucky Inner circle I'm Batman! 1355 Posts |
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With the coming of the digital age, the cost of non destructive editing is peanuts. The digital age is here and it's overshot us by a week and a half. As for the DVD, maybe he just doesn't care (about the quality, the people who buy his products, etc) If he has the connections to make a slick trailer, he has them to make a good studio teaching video. Thus it seems he just wants to be lazy and get all of your money. There is no excuse for shoddy lighting, sound or camera work other than that.
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
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On 2014-02-17 18:23, Stucky wrote: I do so agree. Of course Shin was born in the digital age. I was doing sessions on 2" tape before he was born, and it cost a lot of money. I am showing true signs of middle age in mentioning the comparative cost these days. (And that was music. Film? It cost tens time more.) [puffs pipe and leans back in arm chair] |
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drphil Elite user 443 Posts |
Another thought might be he spends a lot on the trailer knowing that is what sales the DVD and is less concerned about the quality or has less money and less time to spend on the final work. I agree with Saysold 1 He really should hook up with a quality team of magic producers.
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Austin Fields New user 16 Posts |
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On 2014-02-17 18:31, tomsk192 wrote: Ahem. I happen to have been 'installed' in the digital age, and I don't believe myself to be so 'out of touch', thank you very much. First thing's first, at what point in the Jurassic Era could you record .mp4 files onto a strip of 2" adhesive? I suppose this is all just to bait me in and tell me that you could record things onto "tape" and use a "tape player" to play them back. Well I'm not falling for it. Everyone knows records and record players were the prototypes of the DVD, then DVDs came out and it's been this way ever since 1980. (did I cross enough lines to ensure everyone knows I'm kidding yet?) On a serious note, this quickly went from legitimate criticisms to questioning Shin's character and ethics. That's witch hunt logic. Although, he does look to be about the same weight as a duck... (Bam! Historical reputation saved by 1975 movie reference.) |
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Kaliix Inner circle Connecticut 1984 Posts |
I may at some point pick this up but I like what you stated below. It's the reason I never liked Sankey's paperclipped. You do the move at exactly the wrong time.
I do like your "magicians version" of paperclipped though. That could really mess with people at the club. Quote: On 2014-02-17 17:04, Dan McLean wrote:
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
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On 2014-02-18 03:03, Austin Fields wrote: Pesky young whippersnapper! Why I oughta... [shakes fist in impotent rage] |
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kollo Regular user 129 Posts |
Think about this: a few days ago I performed James Howells Consignment.
All went well and after this hard hitting effect I asked the spectator if she would have found it more magical if "her" card would have been folded and been placed in plain sight since the beginning of the routine. Here's what the layman said: "No, because I think you could switch a folded card easily" That showed me two things: 1. No matter how clean you switch a folded card, spectators will remember it as a switch, cause its possible. 2. Her reaction and statement implies that she was convinced her card was in the envelope which was in plain sight. Means that she did not think about a switch. The envelope adds impossibility. To be fair, I should have performed Shin Lims switch to that person and to lots of other persons to make a solid comparison. In fact, I don't even own Switch. Just wanted to give you something to think about. I guess I will buy Switch someday - to get a method more in my arsenal. I'm sure there will be routines wherefor Switch will be the perfect method. |
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drphil Elite user 443 Posts |
The fact that you can show you're hands empty before you unfold the card, and they see no other prop involved to allow a cover for a switch. Makes for no possible explanation. They won't know how you switched or when you switched. This is if it is done correctly. This is why many that watched the demo are convinced it was fake. The couldn't see how a switch took place.
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S-Branham Elite user Folsom, CA 456 Posts |
I totally agree with Kollo. This is why I love Kennedy's Mystery Box of Kohler's Lighting Box.
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ash2arani Special user 923 Posts |
The absence of a 'box' is not a selling point for me; in fact, it is problematic. Audience members will remember that the performer handled the mystery card before the reveal. They will not know what happened but they will remember. One might argue that they will not when done on the offbeat, but hey, the mystery card is important so all attention is on it and when they backtrack, many will remember that it was touched.
Also, when there is no box, I feel the trick quickly becomes how did the performer change the card (whether they remember the moment or not) to mine. The 'box' (especially in the likes of Clarity Box and Fob), not only is a clean display, but also shows a clear path from the box to the spectator without the performer touching it. Touching the card directly can imply sleight of hand even when none is seen. The 'box' implies no sleight of hand possible. The Switch, like Paperclipped, is not hands-off in the eyes of the spectator relative to the box versions out there. It is all about psychology. |
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