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mago verza
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Hello, there is an alternative product to the fanning powder.
They told ne the candle wax, what about the bee wax or soy candle wax?
Bill Hegbli
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I don't know who "they" are, but here is the standard uses.

Japanese use paraffin wax, American and Europe use Fanning Powder.

It is not a sticky substance. These are used because, they grip and slide when the cards are fanned.

Wax has to be polished and buffed.

Powder only has to be applied evenly.

Anything else and you use it at your own risk of not working and spoiling the cards and making them useless.
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For exhibition card fans I have had good results using candle wax from what is called "emergency candles" sold in grocery stores and drug stores. These are the candles one would use if the electricity went out during a storm. I have not tried fancy dinner table candles. I have a feeling the finish on dinner candles would make it more difficult to apply. Having said that, I seem to recall that in his excellent instructional video Japanese magician Haruhiko Nagisa demonstrated the wax technique with a dinner table candle, and he had great success with that method as seen in this youtube clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dONVO-uS7iM
(I'm not sure whether the Nagisa videos are available in the US. But since mago verza is from Japan, that might be a moot point.) I think Nagisa has other instructional videos besides the card manipulation one. Maybe a dancing cane video. Do a youtube search on his name for other youtube videos.)

I think Shimada mentions the use of paraffin wax on his card manipulation DVD from the Greater Magic series. But he does not explain where to get it or how to apply it.

SEOMAGIC-USA sells "WAX for Manipulation Cards" at
http://www.seomagic-usa.com/catalog/prod......s_id/106
I haven't tried that product. You might email them at
seo@seomagic-usa.com
to ask them if they provide instructions for using the wax.
Side note: If you are interested in manipulating paper money, SEOMAGIC-USA also sells "Fanning Bills (US Dollar)":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dONVO-uS7iM

One tip with the wax, BTW, is that the wax on the top and bottom cards tends to wear off and needs a quick touch up now and then.

For card fan productions I still prefer fanning powder just because it is much easier to apply using the "shake 'em up in a paper bag" technique.

I think Arthur Buckley in one of his manipulation books mentions the use of Cashmere Bouquet bar soap, but I've never tried that. Perhaps someone else on the Café can provide info on the use of soap and/or cite the exact Buckley reference. (I did try Ivory Soap once--the kind that is 99 44/100% pure--but it left a slight residue on the cards that felt a little greasy. I gave a deck treated with the soap to a friend who thought it was fine.)

You might try both the wax and the soap on an ordinary deck of cards (not your fanning or manipulation cards) just to experiment. Then if you like the results apply it to your fanning/manipulation cards.

----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
----- Sonny Narvaez
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BTW The IVORY soap "slogan": "99 44/100% pure--IT FLOATS!" is a sales gimmick. IVORY SOAP FLOATS, BECAUSE THERE'S LOTS OF AIR IN THE BAR! The chemist who first formulated the
Ivory formula, couldn't think of a good 'name' for his "invention". At church that Sunday, the preacher talked of the 'IVORY TOWERS'. The chemist seized by the inspiration, named it IVORY. Like Paul Harvey, NOW YOU KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY!

I've heard of the Cashmere Bouquet "treatment" too, but have never tried it. I'm a bag shaker-upper, too, Sonny!

The cards that I use in the act (for fancy fans and shuffles) I bought when I was in the Navy (Norfolk,VA) in 1951. I broke them in for card fan productions, then. They're still working, (But, I'm not, I'm retired. But, if an agent calls, I'll grab that deck!)


















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Dick, the cards that you bought in 1951--I don't suppose those would be the legendary Steamboats???

Of course, today we have the Nielsen, the McBride, the Juliana Chen and the Trevor Duffy cards
http://dennymagic.com/store/manipulation......ffy.html
that are manufactured specifically for card manipulation.

For a while I tried the three methods Ganson recommended in _Card Magic by Manipulation_: 1) using a ruler to take out the stiffness; 2) scoring the backs with a razor blade; 3) splitting the backs off the cards. That third option became my preferred method until the Nielsen cards came out. But now the decks I mentioned above serve me well, especially considering that I am retired from performing.

Here's a video of my spring flourish routine using a Bicycle deck treated with fanning powder:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=250......&theater

And here's a video of my exhibition card fans routine using the original Abbott Zinab deck:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=250......&theater

And a video of my dancing cane routine "The Enchanted Walkingstick":
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=161......&theater
I'm using that legendary 000 stuff for the cane. I bought it at Kanter's in Philly back in the early 70's. I'd love to find more of it.

----- Sonny
----- Sonny Narvaez
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Bob Farmer recommends Teflon powder over fanning powder/zinc stearate. According to him, it doesn't last as long but won't turn your cards into a gummy mess:

http://www.spurlocktools.com/ptfe_powder.htm
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Thank you for sharing your ideas I took notes
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