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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
What would be gaffs you are still looking for? I am planning the next printing run and could add them there probably.
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gogeta98 New user 15 Posts |
I just ordered a brick of Phoenixes on Friday, and they shipped same day! Last time I bought anything other than bikes it was Tally-Ho's. Are those still around? I'm excited to play with the Phoenix decks.
Any chance of printing gaffs from Stand Up Monte by GT? |
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lcwright1964 Special user Toronto 569 Posts |
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On Mar 1, 2014, gogeta98 wrote: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/171057400063?ssPa......97.l2649 The same seller also has fan backs. I love Tallys too and just splurged on a pile of them through this seller. They are rather more expensive than the readily available Bikes (the USPCC's Canadian subsidiary is not far from where I live so they are packaged here though made in Erlanger), BUT the price per deck is still much less than what local gaming or magic shops charge. In short, Tallys are alive and well, but in general not cheap. You can order them directly through USPCC online too, but at $5 per deck or around $50 per brick, Plus shipping. The eBay sale I linked to, even outside the US, is still cheaper. Les |
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
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On Mar 1, 2014, gogeta98 wrote: You may also be interested in this website: http://www.cardgaffs.com/tally-ho-gaff-deck/ Hopefully available next month. |
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lcwright1964 Special user Toronto 569 Posts |
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On Mar 1, 2014, Card-Shark wrote: Burling Hull split Aces. These are used in a very popular marketed trick, which I won't name here for fear of exposing the secret. I do know for sure that the inventor of said trick did NOT invent this gaff, which was around almost a century earlier. Therefore, I believe the gaffs could be included in a gaff set without offending intellectual property rights, provided that Card-Shark did not formally associate its gaffs with the marketed trick. These are vertical splits of AC, AH, and AD, with the other half of the split being the card back. The other side of the gaff is a numbered indifferent card with one-way pip configuration, oriented so the one-way pips are right-side up whenever the Ace half of the other side is on the left when you flip the card over along its longer axis. Les |
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
I would love to see offered:
* STC (would love to see that!!! and seems very doable) * Mene-Tekel decks (R/S & L/S, or maybe even SF) Also, in various styles such as red/black and possibly using Double Deckers * Short cards (individually and/or decks) * Jokers individually and/or decks and in various styles (color, B&W, different designs, etc.) * Smaller pipped Aces ala Bicycle available as a set of C/H/D * 1-way force deck in choice of card value (may be available already, not sure) * Custom printd DF's in choice of cards (offered once again) * Bicycle jokers with Phoenix backs (modified enough to be allowed if neccessary) * At least a couple different color backs in addition to red & blue (green, yellow, purple, pink, brown, gold, silver, etc.) either sell as a full deck or even as a 4 of a kind in choice of card. * Phoenix/Rider DB's available other than only a couple as currently available in the gaffed deck * I think the surface has only been scratched in regards to Double Deckers so would love to see more utilizing these properties (helped to win trick of the year after all) * Would also love to see some high quality jumbo decks like Bicycle used to make back in the day, along with good quality jumbo gimmicked decks such as ID. There are no doubt some others but that is all I can think of off the top of my head. |
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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
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* STC (would love to see that!!! and seems very doable) I am working on that. Not only on Sharpie through card but also Sherpa through card. I think these Sharpie covers are great and add so much style to your performance that you should not have to switch back to a Sharpie. Quote:
* Mene-Tekel decks (R/S & L/S, or maybe even SF) Also, in various styles such as red/black and possibly using Double Deckers DIY is the way to go. And with Double Deckers definitely an improvement. Quote:
* Short cards (individually and/or decks) We offer wide and long cards as 4-of-a-kind, calling them Texas Cards. But we are in the middle of a USPC production to get short decks in red Phoenix backs. Quote:
* Jokers individually and/or decks and in various styles (color, B&W, different designs, etc.) I am open to a wider range for Jokers, and could also custom print them. There is another double Joker that I created for Woody Aragon. A Bicycle Joker with Phoenix backs makes no sense and will never be allowed by USPC Legal anyway. Quote:
* Smaller pipped Aces ala Bicycle available as a set of C/H/D I consider to add that to our next printing run of gaffs and custom cards. So far there was no real demand for them. Quote:
* 1-way force deck in choice of card value (may be available already, not sure) Available. Quote:
* Custom printd DF's in choice of cards (offered once again) We have DFs that are printed in an ID combination, they are part of the Gaffed Deck for the Serious Pro. The custom printing is very time consuming, but I will try to open it up again soon. I will then limit the printing to Phoenix cards, to filter out the other jobs that keep me away from focusing on the Phoenix project. Quote:
* Bicycle jokers with Phoenix backs (modified enough to be allowed if neccessary) Not possible. And please tell me what you like about a fat looking "King", wearing a stupid costume, riding an oldfashioned Bike... Quote:
* At least a couple different color backs in addition to red & blue (green, yellow, purple, pink, brown, gold, silver, etc.) either sell as a full deck or even as a 4 of a kind in choice of card. Green Phoenix Decks are nearly sold out, we will release the Full Tilt Phoenix Decks very soon, but I am also open to different back colors. As these decks need to have a reasonable retail price and small runs are extremely expensive in production, there needs to be money lying around here. You will be surprised about what will come next in the Phoenix brand!!! The list is long... Quote:
* Phoenix/Rider DB's available other than only a couple as currently available in the gaffed deck I am open to offer these decks as we also sort some of the Gaffed Decks. Who would be interested? Anybody has a routine? Would be four more options, as they come in red/red, red/blue, blue/red, blue/blue. Quote:
* I think the surface has only been scratched in regards to Double Deckers so would love to see more utilizing these properties (helped to win trick of the year after all) Actually the Double Deckers won twice. In 2010 we won with Get Sharky and this deck also uses these cards. And now in 2013 with Inferno. There is a lot of potential in these decks. You might say it is the cleanest deck switch you can ever achieve, as there are two decks in your hand!!! Just choose from where to pick the cards. I am working on a tool box for the Double Deckers, we have all different versions of them already in stock, like blank faces, blank backs, double blanks, double backers, double facers. I think there are about 600 different combinations of decks possible. Quote:
* Would also love to see some high quality jumbo decks like Bicycle used to make back in the day, along with good quality jumbo gimmicked decks such as ID. Would be great, but that will be a very expensive experience. To complete a full deck of Jumbo cards, you have to do several big printing sheets and then collect the cards one by one. The new Bicycle Jumbo Decks are from a very bad material, you can even look through these cards. No idea what they thought when they produced them. I want to make it better, but for that the brand has to gain more acceptance. In the meantime I will also work on a half size deck of Phoenix cards. There are no more Bicycle Mini Decks available.
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puggo Inner circle 2022 Posts |
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On Mar 1, 2014, Card-Shark wrote: Not gaffs, but jumbo indexes please |
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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
For the Jumbo index debate: I created the Parlour Deck that has indexes as big as the Bicycle Jumbo Deck.
Max Maven teaches that a Jumbo Index card is very hard to read for the spectator. He is not recognizing a card by reading his index, but by looking at the whole face of a card. Jumbo Index Decks therefore, because of their centers are so tiny, are not well suited for performing Magic. I recently designed a Phoenix Deck in Poker size that has 30 % bigger indexes while the center parts nearly stood the same. It looks great and magicians loved the prototypes. Problem is that I need to produce a huge amount of decks just to keep the price at a competitive level. If you like I can post a comparison image here.
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puggo Inner circle 2022 Posts |
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On Mar 2, 2014, Card-Shark wrote: Yes please, an image would be good. Despite Max Maven's absolutely massive amount of experience, I disagree about a jumbo index being very hard to read. I normally have at least one or two people per gig who comment (on jumbo indexed cards), stating that they can't usually 'read' regular cards, or that they don't need their glasses. As an aside, court cards have more room to be signed. Keep up the good work with the phoenix decks..! |
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
For those of us who don't know some of the legal aspects of printing gaff cards, could you give us some "rough" guidelines of what can and can't be done? Just looking for some basic info here
For instance, if I wanted the needed gaffs for Color Monte (as an example) Can Phoenix Backed cards be legally printed with a red diamond, a blue diamond and a green $14 or is this a copyright/trademark violation of some sort? or is it a matter where you could print the cards w/Phoenix backs but just couldn't include instructions (like a refill pack). If you are in fact able to print the cards only (or in some cases get the distributor to offer them "also in Phoenix back") That would open up many doors as to what gaffs to print. Also, some cards that are utilised in certain effects are also utilised in other effects (card X with different color backs) Is that open game (so to speak)?
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
[quote]On Mar 2, 2014, Card-Shark wrote:
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* STC (would love to see that!!! and seems very doable) Quote:
I am working on that. Not only on Sharpie through card but also Sherpa through card. I think these Sharpie covers are great and add so much style to your performance that you should not have to switch back to a Sharpie. Sounds like this will happen. Very cool, can't wait!!! Quote:
* Bicycle jokers with Phoenix backs (modified enough to be allowed if neccessary) Quote:
Not possible. And please tell me what you like about a fat looking "King", wearing a stupid costume, riding an oldfashioned Bike... Just that they have been around forever and are instantly recognized and accepted for what they are. I am just imagining you asking that question using the same language to the head honchos of USPCC...LOL!!! Quote:
* Would also love to see some high quality jumbo decks like Bicycle used to make back in the day, along with good quality jumbo gimmicked decks such as ID. Quote:
Would be great, but that will be a very expensive experience. To complete a full deck of Jumbo cards, you have to do several big printing sheets and then collect the cards one by one. The new Bicycle Jumbo Decks are from a very bad material, you can even look through these cards. No idea what they thought when they produced them. I want to make it better, but for that the brand has to gain more acceptance. A few months back I wanted to make a jumbo version of Sankey's "Yes or No". In this effect there is writing in bold marker on the back of each card. You could totally see it through the face with all of the thin stock jumbo cards available now. Ended up having to buy another jumbo deck and carefully glue an additional card onto the front of every one!!! Then had to make a new box to fit the new deck in. Total pain in the rear. So no need to make Double Deckers in jumbo size, they are already available from Bicycle. Maybe a new thread should be started in Gaffed & Funky? |
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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
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On Mar 2, 2014, Poof-Daddy wrote: If it is only about printing gaffed cards: there is nearly nothing that hasn't been printed or designed already. Like false indexes, mirrored or smeared cards. I would have no problem to print these. But when it comes to a very specific gimmick like Twilight Angels I would feel uncomfortable. On the other hand: it wouldn't be Phoenix anyway... These cards would not be allowed to have the routines coming with it. I myself don't know if I would be allowed to MENTION the name of the trick where the cards would be used for. If anybody else can tell us... It would be interesting to know.
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
I would like to see a set of all 4 suit aces w/different backs and some aces of spades with different backs (different in both cases being not the normal red/blue or green backs)
I would also like to see a couple more odd double backers like Red/Green or Red/odd design. another would be a red back with a false cover (one that looks like 2 cards fanned from the back - under cover of another card of coarse) (the two cards would look like 3 in a fan from the back.) just a couple I know I would get some use out of in several different ways.
Cancer Sux - It is time to find a Cure
Don't spend so much time trying not to die that you forget how to live - H's wife to H on CSI Miami (paraphrased). |
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
Would also like to see a couple random cards with a back that matches the Phoenix box design. (Like the 8 of clubs and king of hearts in a prism deck). They are very useful in hiding a gaff (like a double backer) inside the cello but out of the box.
Cancer Sux - It is time to find a Cure
Don't spend so much time trying not to die that you forget how to live - H's wife to H on CSI Miami (paraphrased). |
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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
I have this kind of card with a Poker Bingo on the other side. But this is planned for another effect.
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
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On Mar 6, 2014, Card-Shark wrote: That works for me too as long as they come in both Red and Blue box art. The back is irrelevant for my use of them although I can think of some uses with the Phoenix on one side and the same color back art on the other (sort of an ungimmicked "Tool") . the two from the Prism deck have filled my needs so far. would just like a couple extra as they do get a little bent up from time to time.
Cancer Sux - It is time to find a Cure
Don't spend so much time trying not to die that you forget how to live - H's wife to H on CSI Miami (paraphrased). |
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Wilf Jonson New user 60 Posts |
Several major cardicians slide a card with a regular back design beneath the cellophane on the front of the box. It's on the wrong side, but it doesn't register that way with the audience.
Heck, I've fooled myself with forgotten decks stored that way. |
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
Still would love to see a short deck produced.
A lot of work to DIY a whole or half deck and do it neatly with rounded corners. Also, a DB with the green Phoenix backs and R/G DB, etc. I do like the reversed printed card case too. Thanks for asking our opinions! |
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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
The short deck is in production right now as well as the Stripper Deck. Both should be ready by the middle of April.
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