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The Great Smartini
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Does anyone out there have any suggestions for patter or music that goes along with the super walking knot...i'm thinking that my routine would be to do pavel's walking knot and then after looking all slick I would finish with professor cheers comedy knot routine...any thoughts?
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See this post:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......=9&6

I'm actually in Vancouver as well and have just started playing w/ this trick..

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Alym,

are you a member of the vancouver magic circle or the local sam's group...thanks for letting me know about this thread
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I am a member of the local VMC.
Pm'd you.
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I saw Goldfinger's (Jack's) presentation of the Walking Knot when he was touring Canada again with Murray Hatfield's show last year and like it very much.

It was performed to a very catchy piece of music and of course, had the 'Goldfinger' touch/moves!

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Ray,

I'm not familiar with goldfinger (jack)... also, does the audience influence where the cut/knot is tied...i'm curious about the audience involvement in the trick when it is done to music
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"Goldfinger and Dove" have been around for decades and are one of the most respected stage acts in the world with awards too numerous to mention. They are also, from what I understand, one of the nicest couples in the business.

I can't recall details about his presentation but I believe a spectator is on stage briefly to direct him where to cut, and then escorted off shortly thereafter. Then the magic and music begins...

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Lou Hilario... Doug Henning's version (Paul Curry's actually) did use two reels. It was totally different than Pavel's method.
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On 2004-01-05 14:44, Pete Biro wrote:
Or, with an assistant do the original Paul Curry version. A true KILLER. First time I saw this done, by Doug Henning... I was FLOORED.
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Even though I understand you saw Doug perform this live Pete, those were some terrific days in the 70's when Doug was performing on those TV specials (even though things didn't always seem to go that well with all the effects)!

I remember the anticipation of wondering what he would come up with each show.

It floored me too when I saw it on the TV special. After seeing Doug perform the rope trick, I was so intrigued with it that I spent my lunch hours for a number of days drawing out the rope trick in an attempt to come up with the method!

Yet even though I know the Pavel and Curry effects are extremely powerful, my audiences are still stunned with the Simplex cut and restored rope!

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On 2004-07-25 01:06, Pete Biro wrote:
Lou Hilario... Doug Henning's version (Paul Curry's actually) did use two reels. It was totally different than Pavel's method.


Actually only one reel is used. But an audience member gets to sign tags attached to both ends of the rope. The audience member also gets to cut and untie the rope, and is given the rope with the attached signed tags to keep at the end of the routine.

Anybody ever perform this live? Or is it really only suitable for TV? I have the manuscript and would like to try this in a suitable venue.
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I must agree with Terry Holley, while the walking knot is good, people seem to react just as well to a C&RR. Additionally it can be done inches away from audience members (I use 2 helpers in my rope routine) and the rope can be given to the helpers at the end of the effect. I call my routine "The erroneous perception of reality." In my opinion this is more practical for the platform and parlor performer than the Super Walking Knot.

For a musical piece on stage or with some distance from the audience the Super Walking Knot IS a well-made and good effect and I like the fact that you can show the pieces separated which is the weakness of the regular C&RR.
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I have the simplified version, and I need to know whats the best way to present this? Music or Patter? Since I can only perform it 3 times, do I just move down the rope, jumping from one spot to the next? Whats the best way? Any Help is appreciated

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I would NOT do it three times. I would cut the rope, tie the knot and slide it to the other end, untie it and take your applause.

I don't see it as a music only effect. I think you need to just TALK AND SELL IT.

How impossible what you see is happening.
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Only 1 cut ???
I guess that really could work if done well...

Would make it quite a short trick for 175 USD Smile
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You right Pete. I don't feel its necessary to do it 3 times. It would make it seem like its a gimmicked rope. I feel I can sell it by just doing it once, but am still unsure about what to talk about. Hopefully it will come to me. Maybe I can do something with a silk as well? (have the silk penetrate the rope, etc?)

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Alym -- short ricks are fine if they are strong. You could do a rope routine with other effects, then switch for the Pavel rope.

Talkwise? Why not do one of two things. Fred Kaps used to just DESCRIBE what he was doing so the audience had a CLEAR description and could follow the effect... with a recap and sell at the end.

Senator Crandall would tell an absurd funny story as he did a rope trick, the story had nothing to do with the trick, but at the end you finish the story, get the laugh, then kill with the climax of the trick.

Think those two ways.
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A lot less expensive (and seldom seen) version of a baffling cut and restored rope effect is Bill Neff's--this used to be available from Abbott's in Colon, Michigan.
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Good Idea pete. Recaping could possibly sell this. I was thinking of maybe something like a ring and rope effect as well. Do you think this could be done with the rope stretched across the stage? Any ideas where to find anything ring and rope effects that would work for this??


Julie, thanks for the suggestion! I will look for it!
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I have never cared much to do ring and rope stuff, so I can't answer you.

Julie... shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... don't tell anybody about Neff's Miracle Rope.

I did this at an Abbott Get Together once and five minutes after the show they sold out of 'em. Smile
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