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Jamie D Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2292 Posts |
This may be a long shot but is it possible to have things taken off Wikipedia? I ask as there was an individual on here last week trying to gain info on the bo*k te*t to put on wiki. I've been looking around for what he's done and noticed he's got a page on the subject and talks about methods. There enough exposer out there already without some yahoo who has nothing to do with magic wanting to add to the problem. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Maury_Markowitz
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Bob1Dog Inner circle Wife: It's me or this houseful of 1159 Posts |
I've seen a lot of requests on Wikipedia for corrections to various facts. You might try that sideways approach with them on this matter, but I doubt they'll care about the exposure issue. Good luck.
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Jamie D Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2292 Posts |
Thanks guys, yea, looks like there's no a lot to be done unless you have the time.
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
What exactly is the difference between exposure on wikipedia and exposure in books on magic. Other than the obvious, that one is free and the other is for profit.
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Slide Special user 533 Posts |
I've never understood the issue around exposure.
The general public has no interest in magic methods, (they barely have interest in magic at all). They forget what they read anyway, and a good magician should be able to fool you even if it is the most known trick out there. As far as I can see, exposure just gets rid of old rubbish. |
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silvercup Loyal user 223 Posts |
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As far as I can see, exposure just gets rid of old rubbish. I'm amused by the "I'll be the judge of what is worthy of secrecy" line of thought. Old doesn't mean rubbish, and one man's rubbish is another man's miracle. If someone knows how the trick is done the odds of magic occurring, and we all know where that occurs, is minimal. Does it matter what the trick is? No. Magic done with very simple methods is as worthy of secrecy as any other method is. Broken/Restored toothpick/match. Very simple trick, very simple method. It kills! A Magician wants magic to occur. A Magician should guard secrets. It's part of the job description. |
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Slide Special user 533 Posts |
Well, I don't reveal secrets and I certainly never said "I'll be the judge of what is worth secrecy". I never said anything old is rubbish.
And I think you missed my point. But you certainly know the trick on how to ram words in someone's mouth. Did you study to be a ventriloquist? |
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Slide Special user 533 Posts |
1. You can't do anything about exposure.
2. There is more exposure than ever since the birth of the internet. 3. tricks that are ruined if you know the secret are not good tricks. If people start telling you how something was done in a performance, how about stop doing that trick. Better yet... 4. How about inventing your own tricks. |
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silvercup Loyal user 223 Posts |
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On 2014-02-12 14:54, Slide wrote: 1. I can not expose. 2. There is more everything information wise since the birth if the internet. Is this a "too big to fail" issue with you? I'm gonna guess there are things you believe in strong enough to protect them. If you call yourself a Magician (I don't even know if you perform) magic should be one of them. 3. Name the trick that keeps it's same level of astonishment when the spectator knows the secret. 4. Who says I don't? |
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silvercup Loyal user 223 Posts |
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On 2014-02-12 14:47, Slide wrote: You did say gets rid of old rubbish. To say that you must have some old rubbish in mind. I'm saying there is no old rubbish to get rid of. What is your point concerning exposure? You fer it or agin it? "I've never understood the issue around exposure." Then you care not for a secret of magic. |
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Slide Special user 533 Posts |
"I'm saying there is no old rubbish to get rid of. "
Yikes, I'd hate to see you perform. There is tons of old rubbish. Not everything old is rubbish. Not all rubbish is old. Old rubbish is something that is both old and rubbish. I'll let someone else explain my point to you. |
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Slide Special user 533 Posts |
Exposure isn't killing magic. Magicians who insist on performing the same tired tricks, oblivious to the boredom they generate...that's what's killing magic.
And what it the nature of exposure when magicians routinely expose secrets on DVDs and books for profit. There is no test you have to take to purchase the secrets, no ability that needs to be demonstrated. Anyone with $10 can have the secret. It is really about the money. Is a dvd that costs $1 exposure? How about 50c. How about 1 cent? Is it only exposure if it is free and not exposure if it costs a penny? Magicians should channel their energy into being better magicians. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
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On 2014-02-12 14:42, silvercup wrote: Excellent post. I agree 100% |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2014-02-12 15:23, silvercup wrote: product sold with advertising that mentions the word "secret". Magic changes the magician
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Jamie D Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2292 Posts |
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On 2014-02-12 14:42, silvercup wrote: I Couldn't agree with you more, what's sad is some so called magicians have no problem with exposer whether you can control it or not. Reminds me of "trick monkeys", look what I can do, it's new, it's hot, yep, look at me with my crazy method that is so awesome. Magic of emotion and connecting seems to be lost and to the whole I'm awesome trend. Sigh
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silvercup Loyal user 223 Posts |
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On 2014-02-12 15:39, Slide wrote: I suspect first you would need to explain it to them, and as we have seen that is not your strong suit. |
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silvercup Loyal user 223 Posts |
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On 2014-02-12 18:11, Jonathan Townsend wrote: secret of magic = unknown methods kept that way Magic changes everyone |
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silvercup Loyal user 223 Posts |
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On 2014-02-12 15:53, Slide wrote: Nothing is killing magic. Exposure has no nature. Money has nothing to do with exposure. We do agree magicians should channel their energy into being better. |
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Slide Special user 533 Posts |
Great. Then stop buying books, dvds, etc.
Stop making books, dvds, etc. Every book and every dvd out there is a form of exposure. Ideally, magic should be taught one on one: master to student. The day Dai Vernon decided to make some extra money by selling the secrets to tricks he no longer used, that was the beginning of the end. From then on, every pro it seemed made a part of their income, selling their own secrets to whom ever wants to buy them. Once you put the secrets in a book or dvd, it is no longer secret. I have a trick I do that I've never seen anyone else perform except the magician who showed it to me. It has never been published that I know of, it has never appeared in any literature I know, it always kills and I've never revealed to anyone else. To me, that is how you make magic. Not by doing the latest tricks in the latest book you've read. |
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