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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
http://news.yahoo.com/court-overturns-concealed-carry-rule-blow-california-gun-024135756--finance.html;_ylt=A0SO8wVFxP1SOh8AvJPBGOd_;_ylu=X3oDMTE0cXVkYmxzBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkA1RBVVMwMTlfMQ--
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
Wow, I didn't even know that was a thing. I think we have it pretty good here in WA. I still wish we were an open carry state though because most of the concealed holsters don't work so well with single action revolvers.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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Bob1Dog Inner circle Wife: It's me or this houseful of 1159 Posts |
I just heard the other day that the Supreme Court will hear a New Jersey man's case for being denied a concealed carry permit because he couldn't show cause for needing one, despite that he runs an ATM business and carries large amounts of cash with him on a daily basis. It will be an interesting case to watch and could have positive effects for second ammendment leaning folks.
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George Ledo Magic Café Columnist SF Bay Area 3042 Posts |
I have no interest in guns one way or another. I qualified in the Army, had a .22 for years, and then the interest just went away. Bottom line, I don't have a clue whether I'm pro or con. However, in cases like this, I have to wonder how much money traded hands under the table.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
I didn't go deeply into it, do they define "reasonable cause," or was it purely subjective?
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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Tom Jorgenson Inner circle LOOSE ANGLES, CALIFORNIA 4451 Posts |
Apparently "I want to." is good enough. General 'Personal protection' passes the test.
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
John Stossel did an interesting piece recently where he tried to get a concealed carry permit in NY. He had to fill out more than 50 pages of forms with unclear questions and strange requirements, like asking him to verify he knew the terms for a whole bunch of weird knife weapons. He had to provide justification for his need for a concealed carry. (As a contributor to Fox, he naturally gets a lot of death threats.). He had to pay a non refundable $430 application fee. In the end, he was told that he "failed to demonstrate a special need."
You can see the piece here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24jRaxXT7JQ |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2014-02-14 12:11, George Ledo wrote: I know money traded hands at the county level under the old system, when it was at the sheriff's discretion whether a permit was issued or not.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2014-02-14 12:39, rockwall wrote: It's interesting that some of the people who object to voter I.D. on the grounds that it places a financial burden on people's exercise of their right to vote don't seem to have similar objections about fees for such applications as Stossel paid, registration, mandatory classes, etc. for people who want to exercise their constitutional Second Amendmenr right - all things that are more expensive than getting an I.D. card.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Pecan_Creek Veteran user The Nation of TEXAS! 323 Posts |
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On 2014-02-14 12:58, LobowolfXXX wrote: Weird, Huh? Not everybody thinks the same wayon every subject. That's Bull Puckey. We need to work on that. But when was the last time a classroom full of children were voted to death? |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
When was the last time a classroom of children were killed by someone with a handgun and a concealed carry permit?
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2014-02-14 13:18, Pecan_Creek wrote: I certainly don't think that everybody should think the same on every subject; however, arbitrary positions on particular subjects shouldn't be advanced on professed principles such as "there should not be financial impediments to the exercise of constitutional rights" unless that's actually a consistent principle in which one believes.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Pecan_Creek Veteran user The Nation of TEXAS! 323 Posts |
While it has been accepted by the US Supreme court that a poll tax is an impediment to the free exercise of a constitutional right, the same can't be be said of liscensing fees etc for guns.
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
Has the Supreme court ruled that requiring proof of ID to vote is a poll tax or is that just an extremist point of view?
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2014-02-14 14:42, Pecan_Creek wrote: That would be relevant if we were discussing poll taxes and not voter I.D.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Pecan_Creek Veteran user The Nation of TEXAS! 323 Posts |
Umm, That's the theory.
You know just calling something an "extremist point of view" is only... . nevermind. you won't get it ,I won't waste the pixels |
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
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On 2014-02-14 12:58, LobowolfXXX wrote: Most guns are more expensive than getting an ID card, too. Or should we be giving guns away for free?
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2014-02-14 14:58, Pecan_Creek wrote: Yea just having a different point of view means he doesn't understand. Yea comprehension has always been the problem Lobo has. Sure it is all him.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2014-02-14 14:58, Pecan_Creek wrote: So, we've ruled out the principle that there should be no financial impediments whatsoever to exercising constitutional rights (since there's not the same objection to gun registration and/or classes), and we've ruled out the Hail Mary "the Supreme Court said so" (because they said so about poll taxes, not voter I.D.). So now that the principled pretexts have been disposed of, the next time voter I.D. comes up, we can have an honest discussion about the circumstances in which some financial impediments are acceptable.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Pecan_Creek Veteran user The Nation of TEXAS! 323 Posts |
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On 2014-02-14 14:55, LobowolfXXX wrote: It was until you saw the fallacy of your analogy and decided to obfuscate. Your original analogy implied that it's unfair to complain about voter ID laws ( have been argued as a poll tax) and not about gun fees (To the best of my knowledge never been argued that way). Ah, But you knew that , Silly! |
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