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innercirclewannabe Inner circle Ireland 1597 Posts |
"I have 10 years of experience in mentalism."
That comment proves that you are just taking the ****!
Tá sé ach cleas má dhéanann tú sé cuma mhaith ar cheann.
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genius Loyal user 285 Posts |
2 more questions...what is a maths troll? Also, are you right or wrong on point one?
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
You are deliberately stringing out the thread/argument...you are doing this for two reasons:
1) to get your post count up 2) quite possibly because you just enjoy the wind-up maths-troll = trolling people on a forum, via the beauty of maths... so hurry up and answer my question please...
I've asked to be banned
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Re-read my post, it stipulates all criteria...you even quoted it...
I've asked to be banned
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Quote: On Oct 28, 2014, IAIN wrote:
I've asked to be banned
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CThomas Loyal user 272 Posts |
A Ph.D. mathematician with 10 years experience in mentalism. Very impressive. Genius, have you kept up on the literature on chaos theory since you got your doctorate?
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Robb Inner circle 1291 Posts |
If there's an entertaining plot for ACAAN that makes it more than a cool card trick, I've never seen one. Not saying there isn't one... Just I've never seen one. In my limited experience, spectator's don't care about odds or can rarely calculate them. Most people, if asked, "What are the odds that any given card is at any given position in a shuffled deck?", they'd say "1 in 52".
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
NO effect is inherently entertaining. It's all in the performance. And, yes, I've presented ACAAN in such a way that it's not perceived as just "a cool card trick." And so can you.
(They'd only say "1 in 52" because of the way you phrased the question. That's been the entire point I've been making.) |
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Mr. Mindbender Inner circle 1566 Posts |
Wow, 6 pages of this, lol! How 'bout we shoot for 52 pages, then we can start to figure out the odds of selecting any one particular page?
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yachanin Inner circle Cleveland, OH 2105 Posts |
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On Oct 26, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: Hi genius, In response to the above, you stated, "'The odds of the 5 of spades being at the seventeeth position are one in fifty-two.' Bob, these are your exact words and I agree 100%." What you did not address, however, was Bob's next sentence, "If they actually ARE the card and number you predicted (and remember, I trust you) the odds of you doing that are one in 2704." What is the probability, before Bob named his card, that YOU correctly thought of the number "17" and correctly thought of the "5 of spades"? Regards, Steve
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JayFredericks Regular user Vancouver, WA 131 Posts |
**This message has been read and understood by my 9 year old niece**
Genius, are you denying that ACAAN is two distinct predictions? Because that is exactly what it is. Two predictions. Not one. It's two. Together. Like when you roll two dice. The first prediction is naming the card. That's 1 in 52. The second prediction is naming the location regardless of what the card is. That's also 1 in 52. When you combine both predictions into a single event - just like when you roll two dice instead of one - the odds change. For dice it goes from 1 in 6 to 1 in 36. For cards from 1 in 52 to 1 in 2704. When you roll a dice and it comes up a 6. That's 1 in 6. When you roll 2 dice and they BOTH come up 6. That's 1 in 36. When you correctly guess the name of a card from 52 possible cards. That's 1 in 52 When you correctly guess the thought of number between 1 and 52. That's 1 in 52. When you do both at the same time that's 1 in 2704. My niece bet me ice cream you wouldn't get it when she was able to. Good thing I predicted that and put some in the freezer last night... |
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
At the risk of extending this thread to odds-defying lengths, I would tend to think the "real" odds of a traditional ACAAN routine are 1 in 52 (as regardless which card is named, there are only 52 possible positions it can be in the deck), but any presentation of ACAAN should certainly be focusing on the higher odds as they seem justified and believable to the spectators.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I'm sure you agree, though, Martin, that if I ACTUALLY PREDICTED the card AND the number PRIOR to the selections being made, the odds of doing that by chance are 2703 to 1.
Genius thinks he is arguing about the odds, but in fact he is arguing about the adequacy of the method used to record the prediction. That's why I kept saying "Remember, I trust you," in the example I gave. |
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genius Loyal user 285 Posts |
You got it, Martin!
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genius Loyal user 285 Posts |
Think of it this way, bob. If you sold an acaan effect with a deck of cards, could you honestly sell it as one with the odds you claim? Any spectator can replicate an acaan effect with 1 in 52 oďds.
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genius Loyal user 285 Posts |
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
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On Oct 29, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: I would agree with that Bob, but I think I'd argue that in a traditional ACAAN presentation we are not actually predicting a card. We are saying whichever card the spectator names will be at a position that we have predicted. I should say, I'm hopeless at maths but I ran the details past my friend who has a first class degree in Mathematics and he said the odds using a deck are 1 in 52. Having said, I'm so confused after reading this thread, anything could be true! |
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CThomas Loyal user 272 Posts |
I defer to anyone using the fancy British word "maths" instead of the American singular.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Yes, Martin, but I think I made it pretty clear that I'm talking about MY presentation- which is based on the premised that I predicted both the card and the number and simply used a deck to record my prediction. (If you trust me that I actually did that, the odds are as I've stated.) Again, the premise and presentation are what dictate the apparent odds.
PS- I've always thought that the British "maths" sounded a little odd as well, since we Americans simply call it "math." But the more I think about it, "maths" makes more sense. It is an abbreviation of "mathematics" which ends with an "s." The American version, though, would seem to be an abbreviation of "mathematic," which is an adjective rather than a noun. |
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
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The feeling is mutual, Bob. "Math" sounds weird as hell to us Brits! |
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