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insight Inner circle 3095 Posts |
Peter Turner is right when he says, "I don't want people to think there is some sleight of hand going on"---this is what is said by Peter Turner before he asks if the person on the other end has his own deck of cards to be used for his ACAAN.
Peter Turner is right, "Sleight of hand" is something that all layman are aware of. I think it is important to be truly hands-off in ACAAN. Regards, Mike Quote:
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cynicalcritic New user 23 Posts |
But who can you borrow a deck from apart from other magicians? I do agree that a borrowed deck is preferable and more effective but in the real world the opportunity to do so is very limited. Not impossible but limited.
Yes, laymen are aware of sleight of hand but that actually increases the effect if you handle the cards but don't use sleight of hand. The too perfect theory you know. Besides, you need to get on with things. Every time I see people do this trick they seem to take all day about it. Oh, and by the way I really hate that phrase "I don't want people to think there is sleight of hand going on". Call it gut feeling if you like. The phrase "sleight of hand" should never be mentioned. |
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insight Inner circle 3095 Posts |
If ACAAN is intended for special moments, surely you can wait and perform only on those individuals who have with them a deck of cards, right? You'd be surprised how many laymen have decks of cards on them in their homes (for those more intimate performances).
Even if you don't use sleight of hand, the spectator may perceive it---that perception alone dilutes the impact of the effect. Regards, Mike Quote:
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innercirclewannabe Inner circle Ireland 1597 Posts |
"Every time I see people do this trick they seem to take all day about it".
Yes, I agree with this comment. The performers I have watched perform it seem to be more impressed than the spectator.
Tá sé ach cleas má dhéanann tú sé cuma mhaith ar cheann.
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insight Inner circle 3095 Posts |
I agree with that comment too. When the performer is more interested than the spectator, it is a recipe for disaster!
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cynicalcritic New user 23 Posts |
Insight. If I waited to find a spectator with a pack of cards at my age I would be dead and gone before it happened. Sure, on the odd occasion that you visit a private home you will have the opportunity to bore people to death with the rather long winded presentations that seem to be the norm but since I hate visiting private homes that opportunity will not happen for me.
As for the perception of sleight of hand being used I can guarantee that if I did my version which takes about 2 minutes at the most to perform and some alleged hot shot mentalist did his interminable hands off version I would get the better reaction despite the fact that I am handling the cards. Besides I DO have a version where I don't touch the cards at all but alas I think it too chancy for practical purposes and I don't yet have an out for it. It will work 50% of the time which is a disadvantage but nobody touches the cards or even looks at them. Somebody just THINKS of ANY card and somebody names ANY number and the card will be there. The truth of the matter is that this trick is no big deal anyway. It is a good trick but certainly no better than about 30 others in the Royal Road to Card Magic or in fact any basic book on card tricks. I have never quite figured out what the fuss is about it. It is what the old time magicians would call "conjuring for conjurers". In other words it is far more effective for magicians who are fascinated by puzzles rather than entertainment. I remember David Berglas himself showing it to me and I just shrugged. David does a FAR more effective trick that magicians don't seem to know about. I don't think he tells anyone about it. I saw him do it over 50 years ago and I have been told he still does it. I have been led to believe it is his favourite trick. The light in the room suddenly flickers and goes out. People think a fuse has blown. He goes up to the wall and starts feeling it then hits the wall and the light comes on. This has about ten times the effect of that silly card and number thing. Sshh! Don't tell anyone I told you about it. |
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insight Inner circle 3095 Posts |
I do agree with you that acaan, without a proper presentation, isn't the greatest effect of all time.
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Mesaboogie Special user 804 Posts |
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On Oct 7, 2014, Martin Pulman wrote: Surprised, I thought it was, by far, the best part of the show, he had the whole audience on tenterhooks during the turning of each card. |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Interested in why some people think an ACAAN is worth putting in a set, when we have the ability to reveal names, memories and so on...why do some people feel an ACAAN is worthwhile? not that there's any right or wrong to it - just interested...
is it light and shade? something else?
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phillsmiff Inner circle UK 1794 Posts |
I've performed ACAAN a few times and I must admit I hadn't thought massively about the whys of it - it gets good responses and the people I've performed it for have enjoyed it. Iain I think you have hit it with the light and shade comment - it is a part of the journey of exploring your abilities: taking a very objective 'scientific' approach to reading someone's memories is to miss the very personal power that those things have but with ACAAN the focus *is* on the procedure and the effect rather than the person or the memory or the thought etc. If I were to do just one thing it probably wouldn't be ACAAN, I'd do a name divination or whatever precisely BECAUSE of that, but over a longer sequence it can be nice to include some variety that engages with the 'how the heck?' thoughts of the audience.
Good question though and I can see that it wouldn't be appropriate for everyone's set. It is worth looking at these things because if you can work out what the effect's strengths are then you can usually turn them up to 11. I actually have a card piece that I do that is not so 'test conditions' but which more directly addresses the audience's questions about how I am doing the stuff I do. It's funny how I have a very definite 'feel' for the two pieces that (it turns out) is quite hard to express. Interesting to see other's answers to Iains Q. Phill
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
I have played around with it (the ACAAN I mean), and it can be built up into something interesting, its just that I think there are far more interesting things to mess with (but might well be a personal failing more than anything else) - and, taking into account how we can mildly warp what went on to get to the finale..being hands off to regular people is (maybe) less important than impressing your magic and mentalism friends...
so cartomancy, numerology, the history of playings cards themselves - they all fit within ACAAN, in my world anyway... and the only ACAAN I regularly used, I did the dealing,and I stop when someone says so (never knowing the thought of number)...then the next card is placed to the table and recapped...nothing special...and it involves an entire table's worth of people with some simple choices and shuffling at the very start... i think people tend to remember the very first and the very last thing generally, so you get to dance around the reality of it all inbetween those moments... as with everything else, ACAAN needs to fit the persona...so I'd be interested in how others handle it...
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
If someone asked me for a deck, my first reaction would be, you're the magician: Why didn't you bring one? Using a borrowed deck adds nothing to a performance, and only slows down a boring effect to begin with.
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
If someone asked me for a deck, my first reaction would be, you're the magician: Why didn't you bring one? Using a borrowed deck adds nothing to a performance, and only slows down a boring effect to begin with.
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Yeah, asking to borrow a deck is pretty much redundant - unless you're with magicians...used to get them in bars/pubs, but nowadays, I can only think of two pubs in central london that still have dartboards...
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MagicKingdom10 Veteran user 316 Posts |
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On Oct 15, 2014, IAIN wrote: This is a fascinating question, my take on it is that the ACAAN has certain unique attractions that propagate its legendary status in both card magic and mentalism. This is the effect that has been dubbed as the "Holy Grail" of card magic. With this reputation, in the eyes of magicians the ACAAN transformed itself from a mere card trick to becoming a search for the ultimate Grail not unlike monks taking on a spiritual quest! Hahahahahaha The level of affection and passion for this effect are significantly higher than others due to the rich mythology and folklore that surround it for several decades. The romantic purists would naturally be lured by ACAAN's illustrious history however this might not be the case for the rational, practical magicians.
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Galileo Elite user Somerville MA 431 Posts |
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On Oct 15, 2014, IAIN wrote: I think this is a good point, if you ask me ACAAN is one of those effects magicians enjoy more then the spectators, and we perform it because to us in all our knowledge of the art it is more intresting, while to a spectator us divining the name of tehre dead dog is far more impressive. This is one of those tricks I classify as magic for magicians. |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
You can add meaning to an ACAAN, you can add it to anything - its just that meaning has to be meaning-full, and relevant to your persona and everything else you do...but for me, it still boils down to the fact that this is forever attributed to david berglas, and rightly so... so I find it strange that so many chase after something that is already a legend and identified to a master mentalist...
if people obsessed over new plots and presentations as much as some do over ACAANs, mentalism would be even healthier and even more productive in my opinion... i liked The Crusade in that it took it off on a tangent in an interesting way...i adapted it to suit me, from a technical and presentational point...
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Mr. Mindbender Inner circle 1566 Posts |
Ian's right, I'm going to stop trying to be a Beglas wanna-be and switch to something else. Maybe I'll try to make the Statue of Liberty disappear?
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12943 Posts |
I will have to add to this discussion. The way Peter Turner performed his acaan at mindvention in the halls and bars was inexplicable and certainly entertaining as well as captivating. This guy is my new best friend in mentalism.
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12943 Posts |
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On Oct 15, 2014, TonyB2009 wrote: Yes. LOL! good one. |
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