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Rolyan
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You've taken an effect that didn't work for you and developed into one that does. Well done, I've done the same many times. You've slightly changed the original intent and presentation but so what. Study the masters, know your history, understand the theory, but then make it work for you.

I personally wouldn't do the count at the end, due to routining. It's a bit like spreading a deck face down to show a cad reversed, then immediately spreading to show it's not reversed. It tips the method, it says 'look, I can make that happen just by doing this'.

There are some really good comments on here but I've not read any opinion that would persuade me to leave the jaw dropping effect behind and go back to the good effect. I hope your dream comes true for you.
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I agree with you on the final count Rolyan. After giving it some thought, it isn't necessary.
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All that matters -when all is said and done- is the impact of an effect on the audience.The performer is primarily an entertainer.This depends on many things including the performer's personality, style of presentation and upon his skill base. There should be no sacred cows in magic. I rarely perform an effect exactly as it comes to me. Yet I always reflect upon the possible reasons for the given methodology.I always respect the fact that much thinking has presumably gone into it and that the alternatives have likely already been considered and weighed up.We all stand on the shoulders of those who have gone before us. Yet as humans who love to perform we should not leave ourselves out of the equation completely.
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My 2 cents if they're even worth that much...

If you want a pure mentalism/prediction effect, stick with B'wave as written. If you want a B'wave feel with LOTS of magical changes that ends CLEAN, check out B'rainiac by John Bannon and Liam Monitor.
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If I may piggy back on this topic I have a question about B'wave that I wanted to see what others thought. It may have been covered somewhere else so feel free to direct me there. I've been experimenting with using three aces instead of the blank cards. I think, in my opinion, that since spectators probably have never seen blank cards before, that the appearance of them lets the spectator know that magicians DO use specially printed cards. I don't really want my spectators thinking that, do I? I would much rather they think that all of my cards are normal, including of course the red queen they are seeing. Am I over thinking this?

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I like B-wave. It's clean and easy and plays well.

I think that a face-down E count is a nice addition and can help to establish legitimacy. I think a second count is suspect and overkill. That leaves the queen on the bottom rather than neatly tucked in the middle, but I don't see a big problem there.

Wabojeg, the aces idea could be a nice addition; however, I think a sharp spec will notice that one ace has been shown twice.
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Quote:
On Jul 21, 2014, BeThePlunk wrote:

Wabojeg, the aces idea could be a nice addition; however, I think a sharp spec will notice that one ace has been shown twice.


Hi BeThePlunk, thanks for your input, though I think I might have confused you. I was talking about no false counts or displays like this thread started with, but performing it the way that B'wave is traditionally done; however, use aces (or some other non-queen cards) instead of the blank cards.

Kevin
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So I just did this a couple of times the other night. Just did an Elmsley at the beginning and asked them to name any queen like JeffreyMichael1127 suggested. They both named the heart. Did the 3 phase reveal and no counts at the end.

Reactions were great. "Amazing!" "That's scary!" etc... I did this for my son and his fiancé and my son complimented me later on the trick with the queens that showed off my excellent sleight of hand. lol! I'll gladly take an undeserved compliment.

Works for me this way. I like it and it gets great reactions.
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I like the variation and will try both. I also like the simplicity of of Elmsley then Jordan combo. I always feel conspicuous putting the last card of an Elmsley on the bottom to facilitate a repeat Elmsley. Elmsley then Jordan (and repeat till the cows come home if one wants) is elegant.
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I read and understand all the opinions of how Magicians present B'Wave. However, my favourite is the Burger presentation.
Due to the fact that in this one, you are discussing imagination and how good the spectators is. When the card is "Chosen"
you are proving that they have already predicted which card is already turned over. So there is no need for false counts and tricky moves.
You are not showing that they magically turned a card over. So for me, I just stick to the original handling.
What ever works for you. I have also found that over time, things can change. What ever Gets You Through The Night.
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