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Eddy Special user Manchester 582 Posts |
I am new to coin magic. Im a cardy, but I was wondering what are the best sources for the retention vanish which I have seen done with 100% accuracy, yet up to now I have no explanations of. Thanks.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts |
The 'elusive coin pass', or 'a coin vanish' as T. J. Crawford called it was published in 'Modern Coin Magic' and several other easily obtained texts.
One might wish to allocate about a year towards learning the nuances of the timing involved in making the hand closure and coin placement produce the 'retention of vision' effect. The Downs book, and Bobo's 'Modern Coin Magic' have been reprinted in paperback and can be had new at a modest price. Should you wish to pursue a more serious or in-depth course of study, Richard Kaufman has written two books which are more modern tomes of the craft. There are also DVD series of note which may be of interest. These include works by Dr Michael Rubenstein, David Roth, Jay Sankey...
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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alexanderN New user the Netherlands 72 Posts |
Look at coinvansih.com (foundations) there is a clear explanation of retention vanish
I mean coinvanish.com sorry |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24315 Posts |
The best, absolute BEST, retention of vision vanish is Mickey Silver's.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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RandyM Special user 579 Posts |
I would say without hesitation that David Roth's retention is the best! I have been doing it for many years. Most of the time when reading books I find it difficult to follow or understand the exact handling so I opted to get David's Video (Stars of Magic) where it is explained in detail. However , Expert Coin Magic (I think by R. Kaufmann) explains it very well also.
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Almost-A-Magician Regular user New England 158 Posts |
I second that....I learned it from David Roth's video, and found it explained and demonstrated very well. I love it and use it often.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
I just finished watching a demo video (a teaching DVD is in the works) of the Mickey Silver retention vanish (variations) and myself, and the boys at Dean Dill's were BLOWN AWAY...
No clue as the to real work. I especially thought the coin in mouth and the use of a ladle was quite original and baffling. Can't wait for the DVD to get the "work"...
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Eric Grossman Elite user St. Louis, MO 429 Posts |
I agree, that Mickey's is the best, however the "work" is not available yet. Check out Mike Rubinstein's Encyclopedia of Coin Sleights videos. There are a number of excellent retention vanishes on it, and they are thoroughly taught.
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fonda57 Inner circle chicago 3080 Posts |
Yes, Michael Rubinstein is a great teacher, and his coin work is amazing, and lots of fun. I would definitly heed JonTown's advice above. The rentention vanish, seems to me, is one of those moves you just have to do for real people in order to gain the proper confidence. For me it was, anyway. And now there's this new Mickey Sliver thing, jeez...
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Liam Jones Veteran user 384 Posts |
Have a look in modern coin magic or micheal amarrs series in coin magic hope I helped
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DaveM Special user Germany 788 Posts |
Check out Denis Behr's site for some nice retention vanishes under "coin work":
http://www.denisbehr.de/ Dave |
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Sk8rDave Regular user California 189 Posts |
I think the best description of how to do my favorite version of this sleight is in The Vernon Chronicles, The Lost Inner Secrets volume one. It's called the Persistance of Vision Coin Vanish. Typical of Vernon, it has no superfluous motion but looks incredible. It's clearly written and illustrated.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
I still think that Roth version is the most natural.
Mickey's has better retention but Roth's "putting" hand is absolutely clean as a whistle. And Denis' above is awfully close to wonderful too. Check out those fingertip retention vanishes. nice.
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deerbourne Regular user Centennial, CO 174 Posts |
Just go out and get the first three volumes of Roth's Coin Magic tapes. You'll get the Retention Vanish (which I still can't get either) and everything else you'll need to be a coiny as well as a cardy.
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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
I've watched that Mickey Silver Video over and over...I cannot fathom how it's done. NO finger movement, NO bent knuckle...it is just simply impossible.
If you are lucky to get on his mailing list, you will see what we are so excited about...this cannot be duplicated without instruction from the master himself. There is a discussion afloat about whether he SHOULD release it, as it's so exclusive, but the demo tape blew me away. Completely. The more I play this, the more baffled... Doug |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24315 Posts |
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On 2004-01-07 20:44, smokey43 wrote: I learned how to do the retention vanish correctly from David Roth in a private lesson at the TAOM convention in San Antonion in 1989. Up until I saw Mickey Silver's video, I would have said, without hesitation, that Roth's retention of vision vanish was the best. However, I saw Mickey's video. All I could say was "Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no." I saw Dennis Behr's video, too. Very nice, but he flashes on the second retention vanish. Mickey still has both of them beat. This ain't your grandmother's retention vanish, fellows! Quote:
On 2004-01-10 07:58, magicboi wrote: Take a look at Mickey's. You will swear that he has a magnet imbedded in his finger!
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cperkins Special user 700 Posts |
Last wekend I happened to cue up Vol. 2 of Michael Rubenstein's Encyclopedia of Coin Magic. I hadn't worked with this material for quite some time, but it reminded me of what an amazing eaching series this is...still inspires and teaches good habits.
Point is. Vol 2 contains a variety of retention passes among other important families of sleights (spellbounds etc.). Michael teaches and performs the retention pass on the Encyclopia series as well as anyone. I recommend it to new and not so new "coinies." I think Mickey likes Ken Krenzell's variation that Michael teaches.... The best.. cp
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GaryW Veteran user HSMagic 317 Posts |
I had problems learning the retention vanish from text like Bobo and just never quite got it... but was much improved a few minutes after watching Roth Expert CM Vol 2 Video. I recommend it!
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carpelo New user Tarragona, Spain 57 Posts |
Well,
I did learn retention of vision vanish from Roth's videos, but now I have seen Curtis Kam, or Denis Behr doing it a different way. Less fingers are involved in the move, and it seems as if the thumb pulls the coin and it pivots around the second finger. It seemed to me that it was a very different method than Roth one Where can I find a description of that retention vanish thanks in advance Carlos Pérez |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts |
Carlos, the retention of vision is produced by a timing effect. The view of the coin is obscured at the same time as the body language of the hands communicate a transfer of the coin/ball/object.
The move done by the 'putting' hand can be done 'into' several positions including pockets, fingertips, hankercheifs... or as Mickey Silver has demonstrated... even an ear. The move can be used almost as a 'take' if you allow for a slight motion in the 'put' hand at the instant of transfer. Could there be a market for a dedicated booklet or video on this stuff?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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