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On Feb 23, 2015, Michael Rubinstein wrote:
Here is an example of three different retention vanishes. There are so many different techniques, I hope you enjoy these:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=7z85ZHZTkck


Kewl beanzz! Will uzz pls put up a tutorial on youtubez?? I will trade my ellusionist DVD'z for a tutorial vid, pretty pls?! pretty pretty pls?

Totally kidding, just trying to poke fun at the typical youtube magician, which you are definitely NOT a part of.

No all jokes aside, thanks for posting that. Excellent smooth handling, love the retention vanishes, I also love the technique you use for the reproduction, your variation of the Masque Load. Have you thought about doing the load with the coin in Marlo's Hold position (don't remember the precise name, but you use that hold in your Wishing Well Routine to show flat fingers). I started doing the load from the aforementioned position, and it looks good. Maybe I'll have to put up a vid as well Smile
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Beautiful, Doc!! And I also love that variation of the L'Homme Masque load; haven't seen it done like that before.

Thanks for posting the video.

Jim
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Doc very nice I love the soft vanishes and the relaxed hands

one thing is your right hand thumb is mostly hidden, this is because you are on a angle.
I would l;ike to see what the retention vanishes look like shot straight on
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Wow. That first vanish... Is it pure SoH, or does it rely on octopalm or whatever? I've never seen that, and I find it bluffing, whatever the technique is...

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Very nice -- especially a relaxed manner suggestive of extensive practice.

even better to see a routine of which these are apart. "How does one get there" -- "what comes next" and "why the transfer at all?"

Yet, the immediate return in stylish fashion may be enough to suggest perhaps "invisibility" rather than "other hand."

and Vinny lead me to another thought. When any Transfer, real or fake, is do to the side does it not draw attention to the situation in an unnatural way?

A lay person would do the transfer in front of their stomach -- and probably a take rather than a put. The turning to the side says, 'Hey look at what I am doing"

This is OK if there is some reason to then place the coin in a container on the left side, but why the turn just to hand off a coin.

Just musing. A fine line between "never happened" and "gotcha" or "entertainment" rather than "must be magic."

Will the observer remember "he did amazing things with a coin" or "I didn't believe in magic until tonight, now ..."
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First and last vanish is the ROPS move. second is the Variation Retention pass. Third is the ROPS retention pass. recovery is the fingertip load. The other one is just fooling around. All of these and more are taught in the Encyclopedia of coin Sleights, and the first two are taught anywhere you find my material. Filming a move does not do justice for its application. The side angle is just to give you a better idea of the burn since the filming with the I pad on the table gives a weird upward angle. As I said, a move is just a move. It's how you use it that's important. The ROPS move allows you to steal a coin off of the open palm as you close your hand into a fist. If the coin is already in the left hand, it saves you needing to transfer the coin back to the right in order to do a pass. The second one is used when you are placing a coin from the right to the left in an upward angle,much as standing and picking a coin up off the table, or from starting with the coin at waist level. It is the one I use most. The third is just a variation of the ROPS technique to prove a coin is really placed in the hand. The coin is actually pressed down into the palm and no longer held. It loses a bit of the burn but is actually the most convincing since the coin is actually left in the hand and not held. Although this is subtle.
My purpose of showing these is not to show off, but mearly to demonstrate that different techniques can still give you a great burn and be quite illusive. To compare a move out of context of its use is unfair. Mickeys move is a wonderful pass. But what makes it special is not just the move itself, but how he uses it. The angle of his hands allows him to perform his signature coins in and out of his ears, etc. I cant do that with the passes I have shown. It's a different type of movement, slower and more deliberate. Mickey puts a lot of emphasis of the coin being in the hand, with a lot of gesturing, and pointing. These are very individualized moves that are unique to Mickey. They are part of his personality and work well with him. Put that together with his facial expressions,and body gestures, and you can't help but enjoy the show. It's not the move, it's the man. They probably wouldn't work well for another, unless they have the same types of movements that come naturally. My moves would look very different in Mickeys hands, as would his in mine. The point I am trying to make is that all these moves are convincing, but it's the context of how they are used that is important.
Vinny, the coin usually goes into finger Palm to make the wave after the pass, so the thumb is exposed. For the second type of load I held the coin in a kind of edge grip so the thumb is indeed a bit hidden. That position was just for the purpose of varying the recovery. Sorry if the angle doesn't reflect that well. It's difficult to just demonstrate a move for a camera out of context. There are other recoveries and subtleties to show the other hand also appearing empty but that wasn't the purpose of this clip.
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Very nice Doc, simply put and quite elegant. Good job! 👊

And a lot of what you say here as to Mickey's use of the move and indeed the move itself, I agree with and have been pretty much saying for quite a while here myself. 😊

The move itself is pretty easy to do in the various ways it can be done to basically achieve the same difference toward the basic goal of it all. Your 3 proofs show that well enough, as does the many examples shared by Vinny and others as just the move and or within an effect. Simply (and as you pretty much put it as well), Mickey is unique as himself and in his use of the move(s), which helps him to better create with just about the same hammer & nail we all use pretty much as to this specific method. Dr. J, Larry Bird and Michael Jordan all did about the same "way beyond the usual" thing with a basketball and a hoop, or something like that. 😄

Again, nicely done, and as always, it's one thing to explain something, quite another thing to just show it. 😉 And when you do, everyone sees well enough.

Have a good day everybody. 😀
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What would you say about a combination between a retention pass and a spider vanish?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIEd4K4kHOU&feature=youtu.be
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It looks pretty good, but also a lot like what Doc sorta does with his vanishes. Mixing and matching things is only natural as you build. Still, good job 116…Love the little quick play of it all. Smile
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This is a demo on my take on the RV, I recorded several years ago with a few of its applications.I was supposed to publish it with certain webside, but the guy left me hanging.Since this topic is about The RV which is one of my favorite topic and I made the video and has been in private forever Smile, I just wanted to share it with you guys, remember this is just a demo, its not a routine whatsoever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k68e9akgIY

I hope you guys like it.

-Mano

P.S.This is a routine using the move:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kADhFQ7KVsI
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ALL POF YOU HAVE JUST WITNNESED THAT BEST COIN WORKER ON THE PLANET AND HE GETS NO CREDIT..or respect
WHAT MANO DOES WITH THE COINS IS A THING OF BEAUTY AND YOU ALL NOTICE THAT HE IS facing front with no side to side movements.......
MANO PLEASE COME out WITH A dvd it has long over do. .his FCRV is increditable

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The magic is that so many will share ideas and demos here
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If yiou want to see a thing ovf beauty just ask mano to show you his mano lift
and the mano alignment
it kills everything out of the water. it has never been published magicians would die for these techniques
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You're absolutely right Godfather, Mano is quite good and has been for years and years now. Remarkable worker, and truly one of the best kept secrets in coin & close-up magic anywhere. Smile
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Mano would have a lot to share with a lot of folks if he cares to.
To see a difficult thing lightly handled gives the impression of the impossible.
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Hey godfather,Marion mi hermano. It has been a while.thanks for your kind words guys.

Cperkins, thanks. I tried for 5-6 years to publish some stuff,i spent months and months of rehearsing the routines and the way I was going to explain them and then some of the people that were supposed to work with me said that my stuff was too difficult and a bunch of other excuses, so I then decided to take a step back and regroup, but I actually never regrouped, I really got disappointed and quit magic for 3 plus years and now that I'm back on track I'm more focus on gigs,i do hope to publish some stuff in the future however not at the moment.

Stay well everyone.

-Mano

P.S.

I in no way want to hijack this thread.From now on I'll stick to the main topic.
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Another thinkg of beauty of Mano is his "Wiped Clean" version.




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Mano - the video link says "This video is private." Have I missed something or done something wrong? Now I really want to see it:).

BTW, not to mess up the topic of the thread, but I run a couple of web businesses selling "info products," which are video products that I produce. I hope I am not out of line saying this. I'm truly only trying to help. So if someone has any videos they want to publish/sell, I MIGHT be able to help out there. I don't run a "magic shop site," but I could set something up to sell downloads. PM me.

Cheers!

Ken
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Hey Mano! So glad you've decided to get back into magic! I really hope to see more of your work.

Thanks!

Jim
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Hi Ken.

I had it in private, here is the link again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k68e9akgIY

Hi Jim,

Thanks a lot my friend,I really appreciate it.

Be well everyone.

-Mano

P.S. Hey Jim how is it going with Hug Smile.
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