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Tree Loyal user Wiggle Wiggle 295 Posts |
In general Mr Schneider, sorry for not being clearer.
I actually have your Quantum Mech and New Age Quantum Physics. I've not set down to reading them yet. Only a few pages in to the first chapters. Thanks for your work! |
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Al Schneider V.I.P. A corn field in WI surrounded by 1080 Posts |
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You make my heart sing. Al Schneider
Magic Al. Say it fast and it is magical.
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Ray Haining Inner circle Hot Springs, AR 1907 Posts |
The future of magic lies with amateurs who do live performances. There is currently too much preoccupation with making money with magic and too much emphasis on how things look on video.
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Al Schneider V.I.P. A corn field in WI surrounded by 1080 Posts |
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Right on the money. A bit ago I had contact with a person selling a trick for $80. OK, but not worth that. I do not think the trick would fly commercially. But on a video, it looked great. During the exchange his desire was to send me videos to convince me he was a power in magic. My assumption was that he is a power in a group that exchanges on the internet. Al Schneider
Magic Al. Say it fast and it is magical.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
My concern is over how ones learns magic rather than just "how to do tricks." I am troubled when someone says, "I need a video of that -- I learn best visually." Sorry, "visual learning" includes books, still photos and watching yourself in a mirror. It is differentiated from auditory and physical learning -- not DVD's vs. books. More importantly, the very act of shooting a video of a performance can change the appreciation of magic as an accepted cause of the event.
If the objective is to create astonishment and the idea of "magic" left to the spectator (Schneider I believe) -- or to create Ammar's "thirty year memory" how is this learned by watching a video and missing all of the subtleties and logic behind the development of the effect? I agree that new technologies have led to the creation and proliferation of many new "tricks" -- but question whether "magic" is the result. Too many only focus on "entertaining people" methinks. If one considers topics like the transference from "expectation" to "anticipation," or from "surprise" to "astonishment" you can't just but a DVD for a single trick and learn the real secrets of forging a magical memory. An entire DVD series like Schneider's offers such insights and logic but takes study and contemplation. Many other authors too -- Al is just here right now ;-) The point is that seeing an effect on YouTube, buying the hype of an artificial presentation and then "buying a package" has little to do with learning magic. Learning can be achieved Functionally or Instrumentally -- usually a combination of both. By analogy, you can learn the rules of golf, which is the best clubs to buy and even memorize a famous Gold Course on video. But you cannot "do golf" until you actually pick up a club and hit a thousand balls. Learning to "do tricks" is easy. "Fooling people" is easy. Buying junk is even easier yet. I fail to see how all of the latest technologies has helped one learn how to do magic better at all. All the great DVD's do for me is take me back to books with a new appreciation and a more detailed read. I love the Columbini Rink/Rope offerings where you can get both the written instructions and DVD. Why don't we see more of this. Because too many want a "quick fix" or "cheat" approach to learning magic. One should be able to envision an entire effect in your mind, change a few things and play it back from different angles -- all in your imagination. SInce the later desired magic will occur in the imagination of the spectator, just how are you going to orchestrate that if you cannot imagine it yourself? Emulating someone else from a video not only does not require much imagination, it stifles it! DVD's and online instruction can be valuable tools for learning magic. But they can never be the complete way. What is the "best" way? Find a mentor who will chop up your credit card and require you to do magic and not tricks. Please don't misunderstand me. I can enjoy watching performances on video and occasionally shoot videos of some slights in y created effects. My problem is with those who feel learning from videos or DVDs, etc is the best or only way. But, I am a student of magic and not entertainment.
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
Marion I just want to say that I am proud to call you my friend in life and in magic.
your work with coins is world class.....you have earned the name SMOOTH..... the godfather ps marion keep crimping http://youtu.be/KEIlYyeXqSE |
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David Fillary Special user 662 Posts |
To Funsway,
I think like you, in that I am capable of envisioning an entire effect in my mind at different angles. However, while doing some research on the way people think for my teacher training, I was shocked to see how poor some people were at this. And this isn't just through lack of practise, but also innate. I did a maths degree, and there are students there who are brilliant mathematicians in many respects, but cannot imagine stuff in 3d, and certainly not rotate it. I even met someone who had no internal image, and described his pet dog only through words. He wasn't seeing the dog in his mind, but remembering the words that came to mind at the time! On the contrary, I met others with the opposite thought processes. There was someone who only thought visually and had no internal monologue, and thus wouldn't be able to rehearse patter in his mind. So I'm rambling a bit, but the point is, some people need to see stuff "visually", not because they are "visual learners", but more due to them not being visual thinkers, and being unable to imagine stuff like that in their mind. I was able to learn from Bobo just fine as I could easily translate what he was saying into an internal moving image, but many can't. However, one should still be able to learn enough from reading books to be able to experiment with the moves. I was surprised upon eventually watching the Bobo DVD set, that some of my moves were very different to the way Ben had viewed them, while others were identical despite me never seeing the moves! We both had to learn the best way to do them and this to me is the value in books. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
We're still walking around the "this is how it works for them but no idea how or even if it could work for you " elephants.
Without "here's how you can know if it works" you may as well put the stuff with books that tell you to light candles of a certain color when the moon rises. Testing/verification is part of the process. inferior technique ingrained gets you to what some call distinctive style and others see as spasms, rushed actions and palsied paws. Just saying...
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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