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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Another victory for the worldwide surveillance system. Which can't even stop a 16 year old kid. Pathetic.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/20/tee......h-floor/
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silvercup Loyal user 223 Posts |
...and so it begins.
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
From the NY Post:
"The elevator operator who asked no questions while taking him skyward has since been reassigned — but got to keep his job because of his hardhat union. But the guard who was snoozing on the top floor wasn’t as lucky — he was immediately fired." Great level of accountability and consequences for the elevator operator, there Inspiring, all the way around.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Nice the way the Post makes this a story about an elevator operator and not the, I'm sure, Highly Paid Security Czars for the WTC. Will we see even a transfer for the geniuses who designed a security system so breakable that a sleeping guard or an inattentive elevator operator could put the city's lives at risk again? Any accountability or consequences for those paid the big bucks to keep us safe?
That they were never even mentioned in the story pretty much tells me the answer to that question.
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MobilityBundle Regular user Las Vegas/Boston 120 Posts |
I can't help but admire the kid a little. Besides having the guts to try this, it sounds like he needed to use some social engineering to get up to the 88th floor.
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Marlin1894 Special user 559 Posts |
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On Mar 20, 2014, landmark wrote: Why isn't it about the elevator operator and the security guard? They were hired to perform a job and they both decided not to do it. Whose fault is that? I think you put a system in place and there should be a reasonable amount of trust that each person along the way will uphold their duties. If they don't, you fire their asses (unless they belong to a union of some sort apparently. Then I don't know what you are supposed to do.) Either of these guys could have, and should have, stopped this kid. But they both failed, miserably, to do their job. What are you gonna do, fire the Executive Director of the Port Authority because one inept jerk decided to sleep at his post and another complete idiot decided he was to give free elevator rides to what ever sixteen year old kid shows up, with no ID or credentials, at 4 in the morning? No questions asked. Not many systems work when individuals, especially the "front line" lay down on the job. They should both have been canned immediately. |
landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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Not many systems work when individuals, especially the "front line" lay down on the job. They should both have been canned immediately. Both should be canned, agreed. But read the first sentence of yours I quoted again. Stuff happens. Any systems designer should understand that. Design a nuclear weapons program like that, and some folks are going to be very unhappy. The Security Head should be fired. This isn't just any random apartment building in NYC. This is the World Trade Center. A security system that can be breached by paying off or knocking off two low level employees is not a security system at all.
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Marlin1894 Special user 559 Posts |
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The Security Head should be fired. I wouldn't rule it out . Still, it would seem that the resources they had in place would be fine for a building under construction provided the people manning those posts do their job. Almost any system can be overrun, that's one thing. This was something else in my opinion. This was two individuals taking it upon themselves to effectively remove a sufficient system. I mean I suppose you could have had three guards and had five elevator operators, that probably would have helped, but it shouldn't really be needed. |
landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Come on Marlin. We're talking the World Trade Center. You and I could easily imagine a more secure way of doing things. Just off the top of my head--the elevator requires a coded keycard from both the passenger and the elevator operator to run it. But you don't even get to the elevator area unless you are buzzed through doors from the people upstairs and blah, blah, blah. It's not rocket science. Oh, and when there are holes in a barbed wire fence--you fix them.
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Marlin1894 Special user 559 Posts |
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On Mar 20, 2014, landmark wrote: I understand but I also understand that this is not the system they intend to have in place once the buildings open. It's still esentially a jobsite at this point is it not? Eh you're probably right, but either way if the elevator operator can't even be canned I don't see how someone above him should burn over it. |
balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On Mar 20, 2014, Marlin1894 wrote: It seems to me (based on what little I have heard about this) that the elevator operator did his job. He ran the elevator properly without causing an accident. Was his job more than operating the elevator, was he also on guard detail? Maybe the kid had a good story, like he was sent by the one of the architects to retrieve plans left behind that day on an upper floor. As for the guard asleep on the top floor. He should not have been asleep, absolutely. I agree with you there. But he was assigned to the top and he did his job so far as he was the one who found the kid and took him down. It seems the greatest failures were elsewhere (e.g. the broken fence and insufficient (if any) security guards on site on the ground level). So, yeah, whoever planned the lousy security system should be assigned a lot (maybe most) of the fault.
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MobilityBundle Regular user Las Vegas/Boston 120 Posts |
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On Mar 20, 2014, balducci wrote: The article mentioned the kid was able to get an elevator ride despite having no credentials. That suggests part of the elevator operator's job is to only give rides to those having appropriate credentials. Separately, the kid absolutely had a "good" story, in terms of being deceptively compelling. However, the implication from the article is that the elevator operator didn't have the discretion to ignore the kid's lack of credentials. The elevator operator was swindled, so blame properly falls on him. |
tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Elevators are so dumb. I got on one the other day which had button for floor I was on.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On Mar 21, 2014, MobilityBundle wrote: The story in the OP merely said that the kid "had no ID". The kid actually boarded the elevator on the sixth floor, and presumably that was the first time he encountered this particular elevator operator. I'm not sure it would make a whole lot of sense for the elevator operator to check his ID or refuse him service at that point. My guess would be that the elevator operator (maybe one of several) is supposed to rigorously check ID on the first floor when people enter, but is not expected to perform ID checks on higher levels. At that point all he can say is make sure you wear your ID in future, as long as you are inside the building. http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/03/20/......-photos/
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
To be fair, that the kid entered the elevator on the sixth floor may not have been mentioned in the original reporting.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Was he charged under The USA Pathetic Act?
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