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Joshua Lozoff
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Darwin Ortiz will be very surprised to hear that he doesn't know anything about the subject...

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On 2004-01-09 12:37, Pete Biro wrote:

Whoever said to shuffle a deck and memorize it must not know anything about the subject as the stacks, such as Stebbins allow you to do some great effects.
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I am in the process of memorizing the Nikola system. The effects that are possible with it are almost endless. In a world where you can go into the corner magic shop and buy an unlimited number of tricks that you can perform within 5 minutes of buying them, I think it is great to see people willing to take the time and effort to actually LEARN something. Just remember, the easiest to learn may not be the best to learn.
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I memorized a "random" stack with only those built in features that I need. The Aronson is terrific but because I don't do gambling demonstrations etc it was largely superfluous.
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During your breaks from memorizing you will of course be practising your false shuffle ...
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On 2004-01-09 14:07, spatlind wrote:
Isn't irony great?


Yes, but more importantly, where would the world be without rhetorical questions?
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A stacked deck without a false shuffle is like a car without wheels. You are going no where.
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"Best" and "easiest" are no more compatible in memorized deck work than they are in sleight-of-hand. Arguably the easiest is having the cards separated into suits with each suit in numerical order (you'll be taxed with remembering whether aces are high or low, so beware); it is also likely to be pretty useless. The "best" is arguably the one that will allow you to perform the types of effects you want to perform with a memorized deck.

I've chosen to memorize the Aronson stack, although I have never used any of the poker deals or the bridge deal or the spelling setup inherent in the stack. I chose it because I wanted to learn some specific memorized-deck effects in Simon's books, and he kindly sent me a pamphlet describing his stack and a method to learn it. For me, "best" was defined as "most convenient at the time."
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My vote goes to Aronson's stack. I found a fairly rapid system for memorizing it, and once it is in your head, there is need for a review perhaps once a month if you are not actively using it in performance. This is also the one that Michael Close chose to employ.
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Ok. I've got the lowdown on Alan Shaxon's NAME A CARD.

Check out ...
http://www.peterscarlett.com/html/produc......_16.html

Also, this is a great article of stacked decks:
http://www.oratory.com/deceptionary/aboutstacks.html

Hope this helps Smile
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Osterlind's is the best,but Si Stebbins combind with CHaSeD is the easist.Many great mentalism routines can be done with these.
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Watched Richard perform on his vol 2 with his break through system and all I can say is that it is excellant. Vol 2 is worth the price of the entire set.
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On 2004-01-09 17:58, Larry Davidson wrote:
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On 2004-01-09 14:07, spatlind wrote:
Isn't irony great?


Yes, but more importantly, where would the world be without rhetorical questions?


LOL! Touche Larry!
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One stack I didn't see mentioned is Boris Wild's. I don't stand a chance of memorizing a deck, but his is
within my realm.
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My vote is for just learning a randomly shuffled deck, either using a mnemonic system or by rote.

I know people think it's difficult, but it's only 52 things to learn, and if you consider how much you already know, this is a mere drop in the ocean! Go on, give it a try - you may be pleasantly surprised!
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On 2004-01-10 15:10, MarkFarrar wrote:
My vote is for just learning a randomly shuffled deck, either using a mnemonic system or by rote.

I know people think it's difficult, but it's only 52 things to learn, and if you consider how much you already know, this is a mere drop in the ocean! Go on, give it a try - you may be pleasantly surprised!


A lot of this has to do with what you want to do with the memorized deck. I learned the Nikola stack because it gave me some extra possibilities -- you can do a poker deal, a bridge deal, lots of things, just from the stack.

OTOH, if you want something that nobody will recognize, memorising a shuffled deck is just as good an option as anything.

It all depends on how functional you want it to be.
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Bob Solari's No brainer memorized deck is the Best!
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Mark Farrar wrote . . . "I know people think it's difficult, but it's only 52 things to learn . . . "

Actually, there are 104 things to learn, the 52 cards and the 52 positions. Smile
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Fair enough - I almost wrote that but decided not to -, but I still stand by what I said.

I would add also that, although many stacks such as the Aronson one do include built-in effects, many of these tend to relate to poker deals, and they don't, in my experience, tend to be that popular over here in the UK.
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I was just wondering, is there anyone here who has learned two different stacks and stays in practice with both of them?

I've learned only one (Aronson). I created my own associations between cards and numbers instead of using any mnemonic system. In my experience, memorizing a stack is easier than gaining proficiency with most card sleights. I think many people are too intimidated by the thought of memorizing a deck and never even try.
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My suggestion wouldn't be to shuffle a deck and memorize it, nor to memorize the Aronson. Aronson has features built into it, yet I don't use any of them except for Allan Ackerman's Another Quick Coincidence. So basicly what I'm saying is instead of shuffling one and memorizing it, or memorizing someone else's, make your own with features that you will use. It may take a while, but it would be worth it (for me at least).
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