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JeffreyMichael1127 New user 98 Posts |
Hey guys, instead of chop cup I do jiggernaut...It's the same concept, but you use a bar jigger to make balls and such appear underneath. I start off using olives appear under the jigger, then the second round I use wine corks. However, what should I do for the final load? I'm thinking Jumbo olive? Even though, it does not fit under the jigger, I'm thinking of gambler's copping it to make it "fall out" of the jigger.
My original routine was 1) sponge balls appear under jigger three times 2) wine corks appear under jigger three times 3) finale???? ...but now I'm thinking 1) olives appear under jigger 3 times 2) wine corks appear under jigger twice 3) finale with jumbo olive load any suggestions on the 3 phases or ideas for final load using a jigger? |
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
I have never had a problem with the routine as is. The wine corks were meant to be the final load after the whole olive routine. But if you must take it further, the final load should be the biggest "most impossible" load. Ie olive, cork, spongeball.
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
If it were me doing the routine, I'd pare it down to one cork and follow with one more olive before the final jumbo olive.
Logic of sequence: Olive 1 (establish), olive 2 (confirm & reinforce), cork (oops?), olive 3 (whew, redemption!), JUMBO OLIVE (exclamation point!)
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Since it is smallish... switch it for one that is solid (fill it with lead or plaster).
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JustinVisible Elite user South Jersey/Philadelphia Areas 453 Posts |
I use airplane bottles of alcohol in my routine as the "jumbo" loads....
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JeffreyMichael1127 New user 98 Posts |
I have been doing the jigger routine with cocktail olives...at one of the sites on magic Café you can buy queen-sized olives which are bigger. Do you guys think the presentation will be enhanced by using bigger sized olives rather than the smaller cocktail olives, or should I just save my money.
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
It's a close-up trick. Save your money. (my opinion)
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Jamie Ferguson Inner circle Alba Gu Brà th 3640 Posts |
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BenSalinas Special user Coinoscenti 746 Posts |
I've expanded on the sobriety test idea from the original instructions and now produce "their" car keys as my final load.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
As a rule I do not like sponges to use for routines like this. They squish by nature, and it gives them sorts of answers.
Just a preference mind you not a law of magic! Now let me say this. Once something has appeared or vanished from under an object, they know you can do it. You run the risk of redundancy fairly quickly. This was why Don Alans routine was so fast. He showed he could do it, he loaded the large load. 5 for 6 appearances is tough to keep fresh. I am not saying it can't be done mind you but just something to think about.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
I was not a fan of the original routine and shortened it quite a bit such that I never repeated a method.
The jigger is a great prop since it's double-sided. The only down-side is that you need a pretty flat surface to avoid it tipping over. If you do work up a good jiggernaut routine, you'll have something you can basically us with a jigger, a plain cup or a chop cup. Having a chop cup routine that doesn't require one is a very flexible routine.
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Kaliix Inner circle Connecticut 1984 Posts |
In Jennest's original routine, the corks are the final load. I've done Jiggernaut many times and I've never felt the need to change the routine or final load. I say stick with the corks but that is only my humble opinion.
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TXKEVIN New user 57 Posts |
I think the routine is great as is. I use some crocheted cork 'olives' I bought and love. However, I think JustinVisible's loads sound like an interesting twist. Thanks for the idea!
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Richie Larson New user North Carolina 92 Posts |
It's funny you ask!
I've actually been doing the routine, pretty much as is, but I DO , In fact, finish with a jumbo olive at the end. Just as the OP questioned. Bought it, and the smaller olives I use , from RNT2. After I reveal the second cork, and say the bit about seeing double. I say, " And the olive... Well, it's in there too! It's just starting to appear a little larger. Feeling drunk yet? " I palm the jumbo while revealing the second cork. And as I say, "and the olive" ,.. I pick the jigger up again , and "Shake the jumbo out ". So far, this has gone over well.. I often use it to close my set. I also questioned how this would play though, at first... With the idea that the olive really didn't come from inside. BUT, While performing this recently at a buskers contest, I had someone reach for the jumbo olive at the end. Then she tried to fit it back into the jigger. It not fitting in only baffled her more! But the fact remains... She still perceived it as the olive really coming from inside. Now , I wouldn't necessarily encourage you to let them grab at, or even think they can get away with grabbing, your props ,without being asked.. This happened during a slip of audience management while delivering my bottling speech. But in this instance, This only reaffirmed to me that it was, in fact, received as I was hoping it would be. I present the routine as a sobriety test as in the original routine. And I remark that if they aren't feeling drunk now, they likely will after it is over. The only time I ask them, and have them answer aloud, is during the first phase...where nothing has happened. The rest of the routine, I kind of ask aloud, but make it more of a demonstration, if that makes sense. This way, no one person is looking like a fool. And this also gives me a way to veer off track of it being a serious sobriety test and slowly let them see it's all been a goof. Anyway, this is how I've been using the jiggernaut. I hope it answers your questions, and helps you come to a conclusion. -Richie "TwoTime" Larson |
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hacketr2 New user 55 Posts |
Does anyone know of any additional published routines using Juggernaut? I have Mark Jenest and Dan Fleshman's work on this and both are very good!
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MagicSteve84 Loyal user 290 Posts |
Look into Thom Peterson's lecture notes. He has a nice Jiggernaut routine but I forget the title of his notes. Worth the effort to track down because it's great and so is his other material.
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Doug Arden Special user 886 Posts |
Thom Peterson's Jiggernaut Routine can be found in his "Action Packed " lecture notes.
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ringmaster Inner circle Memphis, Down in Dixie 1974 Posts |
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I have not used this myself, but maybe.
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wardmagic Regular user 127 Posts |
For audiences that don't drink or for younger audiences maybe think about non alcoholic items. More Family oriented objects could be... start with cherry's and finish with peanuts.
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Michael Dustman Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 1220 Posts |
Saw this at Magifest. Using lemon drops and a lemon with the corks as a final load. Nice tidy little set.
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