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The missus called my attention to the following about her native land. Maybe the Australians here can provide some context?

"New guidelines from the department of prime minister and cabinet threaten employees with discipline if they are "critical or highly critical of the department, the minister or the prime minister" on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Pinterest, Flickr, blogs, or anywhere much else.

Note that the policy applies to posts in a personal capacity – even those made anonymously – and that public servants are urged to dob in [snitch on] any colleagues they might recognise.

"If an employee becomes aware of another employee who is engaging in conduct that may breach this policy," the edict explains, "there is an expectation that the employee will report the conduct to the ­department."


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree......=ema_792


I think we must assume that the concept of free speech, privacy, and government accountability in the Western World (and thus the rest of the world) is dead at this point.
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Apparently the present Govt inherited it from the previous Labour Govt, so hopefully they will get rid of it, although I wouldn't hold me breath...

Good thing I'm not a public servant, or I wouldn't be able to make this post Smile
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Which are the employers who used to give you a pass for publicly bad mouthing them?
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Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Umm... the ones who believe in free speech in a putative democracy for citizens who pay the salaries of supposedly accountable public servants?
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"If an employee becomes aware of another employee who is engaging in conduct that may breach this policy," the edict explains, "there is an expectation that the employee will report the conduct to the ­department."


It sounds like they are trying to encourage employees to rat and dime each other out. Nobody respects or likes a rat, but unfortunately, their is a rat everywhere or somebody who is willing to dime out somebody else.
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"If an employee becomes aware of another employee who is engaging in conduct that may breach this policy," the edict explains, "there is an expectation that the employee will report the conduct to the ­department."


It sounds like they are trying to encourage employees to rat and dime each other out.


If you employed people, and one of the people on your payroll had an anonymous Twitter account on which he made a bunch of posts about how bad your magic was, would you want one of your other employees to let you know who it was?
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Well of course I would look out for my own interests. And again, their is a rat everywhere and I am sure I would be able to find somebody to rat out the employee bad mouthing me. But if the role were reversed and I was the employee and I knew who was doing it, I would keep my mouth shut and I would deny knowing who was doing it, simply because nobody likes or respects a snitch. It's dishonorable.
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Well of course I would look out for my own interests. And again, their is a rat everywhere and I am sure I would be able to find somebody to rat out the employee bad mouthing me. But if the role were reversed and I was the employee and I knew who was doing it, I would keep my mouth shut and I would deny knowing who was doing it, simply because nobody likes or respects a snitch. It's dishonorable.


Badmouthing your employer anonymously in public while accepting a paycheck from him isn't particularly honorable, either. Some might say less honorable than telling the truth about the situation.
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Badmouthing your employer anonymously in public while accepting a paycheck from him isn't particularly honorable, either. Some might say less honorable than telling the truth about the situation.


I totally agree and it's pretty disloyal. However, I still wouldn't want to be known as a snitch. But I completely agree with you that accepting a paycheck from an employer and then badmouthing them anonymously in public is dishonorable as well. That's something I would never do is badmouth my employer publicly if I was an employee of another company. Now, if my boss at my place of employment didn't treat me very well, I might bad mouth the boss to my family or very close friends whom don't work with me, because I would certainly want to keep my job, but I would also need to vent once and awhile in private to my family or close friends.

But I don't think it's right to bad mouth an employer publicly when they are gracious enough to hire you for a job. But I have worked a job or two where the boss didn't treat the employees under him very well and some of the politics of the job was pretty bad. That's part of the reason why I eventually decided to become self employed. I just like to go to work doing something I love to do, work hard doing it and not have to deal with a boss who doesn't treat the employees under-neath him very well or have to deal with some of the un-necessary nasty office politics I have seen in some jobs. I just like to get along with people, have some sense of stability, work hard, my work mean something, make money doing it, be happy and it seems that self employment and relying on myself has given me the best opportunity to achieve that. I'm not looking to strike it rich though it would be nice if I did. I just like to live comfortably and be happy. I'm happy and consider myself pretty fortunate.

Owning a business has also gave me a new appreciation for what a hard earned dollar means. I think I work harder now in many respects than I did when I worked for somebody else. It also gave me a new appreciation for what it's like on the employer side (at least for a small business that is, big corporations might be different I imagine) of the house and all the overhead costs they pay, risks they take on as well as the liabilities they are exposed to and all the footwork and planning that is required. I got an Executive Summary typed up and you know, it has actually proven to help me out a lot. I was surprised to be honest at how much a simple Executive Summary can help out. I keep it in my daily planner and review it each month. The old mantra of fail to plan, plan to fail.
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Well of course I would look out for my own interests. And again, their is a rat everywhere and I am sure I would be able to find somebody to rat out the employee bad mouthing me. But if the role were reversed and I was the employee and I knew who was doing it, I would keep my mouth shut and I would deny knowing who was doing it, simply because nobody likes or respects a snitch. It's dishonorable.


Badmouthing your employer anonymously in public while accepting a paycheck from him isn't particularly honorable, either. Some might say less honorable than telling the truth about the situation.

Some might say that, and they would be wrong, if we're talking about the government which is supposed to be accountable to the people. I think you keep overlooking that point. There is a big difference between the public and the private good. We have so drifted from democracy that that crucial difference is blurred in discourse all the time now.
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I'm still considering my thoughts on the public/private distinction. I don't think it's irrelevant; you've raised a very good point.
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I agree with Lobo, I don't think it's good to publicly bad mouth an employer plus it's disloyal. The employer was gracious enough to hire you and I think people should appreciate the fact they have a job. But I also want to work hard and have my work mean something. I don't want to be just a number at a big corporation either. For me, if I were to go to work for somebody else, I would prefer to work in the private sector for a small business rather than a big corporation. I could go to work for the government as a civilian civil servant, however, I think as a civilian civil servant, I wouldn't be happy because it's not challenging enough and in some cases it can be overly political. I mean, politics are in every job, but some jobs the politics are worse than others. I also like to be challenged a little bit and to me the private sector you have to work hard and it's more of a challenge. You feel good about the money you earn and the work you do in the private sector and when you finally save up to invest or buy something you want, you appreciate it so much more.
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Our government here in Australia has now made those guidelines secret - which is pretty inline with how they have operated since taking power. One of their major election winning policies was to stop refuge boats reaching Australia and they used to trot out a big sign every tie a boat arrived with the numbers on it to embarrass the previous government - now that it's their responsibility they have decided mentioning how many boats and refugees arrives gives valuable information to people smugglers so they have put the armed forced=s in charge of stopping refugees and refuse to inform we the public about what goes on to protect 'operational security' - behaviour we have only previously seen in Australia in wartime.

But don't worry Landmark - our politics operates on a pendulum here in Australia, and it's on issues like this the other side will eventual;y get back in, and have no choice but to address.

Also in Australia minor parties are enjoying quite a bit of popularity and the Greens in particular are very anti this sort of behaviour, as no doubt are the Libertarians, and I imagine the new minor conservative party headed by a billionaire who's a bit of a character, and while I don't agree with a lot of his policies - he's been good for our politics - shaken them up a bit - that's always a good thing. Smile
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Just on the subject of public servants - in Australia it was always a convention that public servants were free to give governments 'frank and fearless' advice but that has gone out the window in recent years as public servants whose advice has not been in complete harmony with government policy have been pushed out the door by both major parties when in government.

In the good old days Smile governments would set policy and then the public servants would come up with options for implementing the policy of which government would choose one - now virtually everything from the ground up is worked out by political advisers who are political appointees working in Minister's offices at government expense, but beholden to the political party in power - and that has not been good for Australia - it was better the other way.
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"New guidelines from the department of prime minister and cabinet threaten employees with discipline if they are "critical or highly critical of the department, the minister or the prime minister" on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Pinterest, Flickr, blogs, or anywhere much else.

Are they “disciplined” by sending them to the Gulag for re-education so they will not do it again?
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The missus calls my attention to this amusing video:
http://www.theguardian.com/culture/austr......=ema_792
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