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Endless West Regular user A town called Malice 185 Posts |
The 420 sweet water festival is happening in Centennial Park here in Atlanta. It's the park famous for getting bombed during the 96 Olympics and being blamed on Richard Jewel. It's also the park famous for Magic Shaun, or Gr8Gorilla as he was known at the time, starting his busking career in and documenting step by step here on the forum. Anyway, I was set up on the side walk outside of the park and pulled off one 8-10minute show hatted and started to prepare to hit another group. Some dude stopped and asked me to show him something and I told him to give me one second. Just then a park officer on a Segway (seriously, cool way to make me hate you even more) pulls up.
I look at him and say "Hey how are you!" He responds with "you can't be here!" Now I know, everyone always says just say "I'm sorry I didn't know." And walk off. I just can't bring myself to do that when I know I'm not in the wrong. So I looked back over and said "really? That's weird, why not?" And he says, "this is a park, it's state property!" To which I respond, "isn't that the exact reason why I am allowed here?" And he says, "no, we own this park, it's private." Now the thing is, like many large parks the city(or state, I suppose) contracts out the maintenance and security to a private firm. In this case the company is the Georgia world congress center and their police force. I don't think I've ever had my blood boil as quickly as it did when he said "no we own this". Scum bags. |
Mario Morris Inner circle Mario Morris 2044 Posts |
OK I swallowed the hook, what was the out come?
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Endless West Regular user A town called Malice 185 Posts |
I told him I don't believe he's correct but that I'm going to leave for now. It was drizzling out anyway.. But *** I'm mad!!
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
If there was indeed a "festival", the city may have given them preference. It does happen - competing interests.
A more radical example. the KKK wants to hold a rally. Counter-protesters want their own rally. There are competing interests. The KKK would be given one side of the street, counter-protesters on the other side of the street. I'm not saying that is the case, just saying that is a possibility. The festival may have paid the city (aka: "taxpayers") for use of the park. If you were to lease your car to someone, you can't expect to take it for a drive at the same time. I think you made the right call. The next step is to find out exactly what city ordinances are on the books. You can most likely look them up here: http://www.municode.com/ -JoeJoe
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Yellowcustard Inner circle New Zealand 1334 Posts |
I use to just pack up and go. But now I stop a say no problems I will move on but say I don't make the same mistake can I just ask what law or rule am I breaking and whats the implication of breaking it. I also ask for full name and not only the company they work for but also who they are contracted to. Also knowing as much of the law as possible helps as well those little terms can help, recently a busker stuffed a a private security guard by pointing out the difference in private land and commercial land.
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Endless West Regular user A town called Malice 185 Posts |
JoeJoe, thanks for the link. Now if I could just figure out how to find what I'm looking for on that page. It sucks that I can't just pull out my pocket constitution and say "see right here?"
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
First Amendment rights are not "absolute", cities are allowed to put "reasonable restrictions" on the time, place, and manner. I know a bunch of people are gonna jump all over me for saying so, but it is the truth and there are court cases upholding it.
As for Atlanta laws, I'm not a lawyer so I'm not allowed to give you "legal advice". After reading Atlanta Municode, I can't tell if you were "legal" or not. Were you 15 feet from a payphone? Toilet? Parking pay box? A licence vendor? It looks like they give cops a lot of leeway here. Quote:
Sec. 106-85. Monetary solicitation.permanent link to this piece of content I know I've had this conversation before any nobody wants to believe that "busking" is "soliciting", but I think the Atlanta definition of "solicit" clearly states that if you hat your audience, you are "soliciting". I hope this information helps you. Good luck! -JoeJoe
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writeall Special user Midland, Michigan 930 Posts |
JoeJoe, I believe it. After all, isn't the mantra: "Make 'em stop; make 'em stay; make 'em pay?"
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Endless West Regular user A town called Malice 185 Posts |
Thanks for the info JoeJoe, I appreciate your mojo fo'sho though!
Busking is permitted in Atlanta on the sidewalks within the rules above, for sure. My concern is whether the GWCC owns the sidewalk around the outside of the park, like the officer claimed. I was always under the impression that 3 feet from the curb in was city property and after that its the private property owner. Though, I still argue the validity of private management of a public park being able to decide who can practice free speech within and who can't. I see no difference between guys practicing their football throwing in the park than me practicing my magic. Even if I didn't have a hat out they'd come make me pack up and leave because in their minds it's just not allowed. Anyway, like I said, thank you for the info! |
JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
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On Apr 21, 2014, writeall wrote: Yes it is. Make em pay. Some seem to think "solicitor" is a bad word, no it is not. A girl scout selling cookies is a solicitor. A politician asking for a campaign contribution is solicitor. I embrace the term. Quote:
On Apr 21, 2014, NeutronBomb wrote: You might want to search Municode for Centential Park, as I noticed there it was given a lot of special attentions but I didn't pay them much mind. You are most likely correct. It seems to me that with all those "15 feet away from" rules, a cop could pretty much find a way to run you off anywhere you set up should he want to do so. Did you have a table? Football players wouldn't have a table. Some cities don't allow you to set things on the sidewalks, often you'll find cute little exceptions for things like suitcases and briefcases. Is amazing to read through the varies ordinances across the country. Like I said, I'm not a lawyer. I don't really know. I just made it a habit to start reading this stuff. -JoeJoe
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