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Brisingr
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Hey guys!

My friend actually approach me very recently.
Knowing that I am a children performer, he asked me to introduce him to some props or magic he could purchase to show/entertain to his 5 years old daughter during their flight.

He wants something that can be performed a few times without the daughter knowing the actual method of the trick or prop.

So initially, I recommended him the pen thru bill. However, he said that as a father he cant deny her daughter from examining the pen and once she held the pen there might be a possibility that she know how it was done. So that idea was out.

Next, I recommended "Wow". However, he said that he do not want his daughter to be exposed to poker cards at such a young age. Some gambling issues he has.

After that I recommended spongeball which seem to be the best option IMHO. He thinks that its okay actually.

But I am looking for more options. Please help. Once again here are the requirement.
1. Can be done a few times
2. No poke cards
3. the kids can play with the prop used.

Thank you!
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I said to my friend (a brain surgeon): "I have a few minutes...can you show me how to remove a brain tumor?"

One cannot purchase 'magic' (see your second sentence). "Magic" only happens in the mind of the spectator.

Help him find a few PUZZLES. He doesn't want to be a magician. He just wants to "look like one" for his daughter.

l."can be done a few times" NEVER REPEAT A TRICK is one of the primary "rules"!!!!!!!!! If you're a magician, you should already know this!!!!!

3."the kids can play with the prop..." These props that we use AINT TOYS!

Find him some puzzles like the ring and spring, or the button hole pencil and string.

A magician ENTERTAINS! (or at least is supposed to) This guy just wants to keep his child 'busy'.

You are showing your lack of experience when you recommend pen thru bill! Sponge ball effects REQUIRE at leas a bit of skill. IMHO, you are cheapening yourself when you give away the principles to a klutz!
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Why not try the old tossing an invisible ball into a paper bag? All you need to master is the click and timing of the 'ball' being thrown by the kid. It's a hit with kids Smile
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Hi Dick, appreciate your response but I would like to point out
1. He is asking me 2 month in advance before her daughter's birthday he is prepared to practice.
2. There are tricks that defy that "Rule" that is why I am asking because not many trick are able to do that.
3. Play as in Examine and fiddle with the props.
4. He is willing to pay for whatever he is learning
5. Are you saying that magic shop owners are all inexperience if they recommend my friend pen thru bill to him for his kids?

Hi Peter. That's a good idea. will take note of that. Thanks.
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Puzzle book, coloring books (real ones), activity books, travel games, etc... There are a lot of things designed for occupying a kid while traveling. Magic is not designed for this purpose, it just promotes the notion that you can buy a few cheap props and suddenly you are a magician. And showing the same trick over and over is not magic. After they see it the first time the magic is over, they know what is going to happen, and then it just becomes a puzzle they are trying to solve.

If he really wants to occupy his child with magic while traveling, suggest he buy or download a magic performance and let his child watch a real magician. That would be a much better option.
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Tell him to buy a change bag , lots of stuff possible and most beginer magicians use them
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On Apr 21, 2014, wwhokie1 wrote:
Puzzle book, coloring books (real ones), activity books, travel games, etc... There are a lot of things designed for occupying a kid while traveling. Magic is not designed for this purpose, it just promotes the notion that you can buy a few cheap props and suddenly you are a magician. And showing the same trick over and over is not magic. After they see it the first time the magic is over, they know what is going to happen, and then it just becomes a puzzle they are trying to solve.

If he really wants to occupy his child with magic while traveling, suggest he buy or download a magic performance and let his child watch a real magician. That would be a much better option.


WW!

Hurrah! You have hit the proverbial nail.... THANK YOU!

I'm sorry but the OP doesn't understand, and from the way he replied, I doubt he ever will! There is a "thing" called "INVNCIBLE IGNORANCE"!
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Hi Dick, appreciate your response but I would like to point out
1. He is asking me 2 month in advance before her daughter's birthday he is prepared to practice.
2. There are tricks that defy that "Rule" that is why I am asking because not many trick are able to do that.
3. Play as in Examine and fiddle with the props.
4. He is willing to pay for whatever he is learning
5. Are you saying that magic shop owners are all inexperience if they recommend my friend pen thru bill to him for his kids?

Hi Peter. That's a good idea. will take note of that. Thanks.


Two months! Willing to practice! --and then let the child "examine and fiddle with the props" He might as well tell the youngster "there aint no Santa Claus"!

Yes, THE EXCEPTION PROVES THE RULE, --but the exception does not NEGATE the rule!!!

"He is willing to pay" etc. Would you sell your inheritance for a bowl of soup? (Check the Biblical reference.)

Yes, too many "dealers" will sell ANYTHING in the shop--they have rent to pay. AL FLOSSO would never sell a kid something the kid couldn't handle. As a matter of fact, even PERCT ABBOTT would turn down a sale, and strongly suggest something else.

The largest shopping mall in the world had a magic shop. I watched as the kid behind the counter pitched IT (inv*****e thr***) to browsers in the shop. Yes! a dealer who would RECOMMEND the pen thru bill is INEXPERIENCED if he sells that sort of prop to a non magician. A wise dealer would sell things that would encourage a customer to come back. I've worked behind the counter in five shops. We always started YOUR guy off at the "keystone" counter. (Adams, Royal, Fun Inc. stuff)

I know a magician who makes an absolute miracle of the 'ball in the paper bag" bit. It's too good a principle to expose to anyone --adult (?)-- who can't amuse his child without exposing magic principles.

>>>>TO PB&J>>>>As much as I abhor the use of an "ordinary" (?) change bag, I can't imagine what the child the OP refers to, would do 'FIDDLING" with one.

There are ethics in magic. Far too many "magicians" don't realize it -- or care.
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On Apr 21, 2014, wwhokie1 wrote: After they see it the first time the magic is over, they know what is going to happen, and then it just becomes a puzzle they are trying to solve.


Absolutely superb comment, wwhokie1! There is something else to consider. Learning a few magic tricks will definitely not fill the time it takes for a "flight." It seems to me that the father will only manage to get his daughter interested in magic, only to run out of material in a confined setting. Performing a few tricks at home, then offering to do more later, is pretty much acceptable. But in a confined environment, like a flight, the child won't see a good reason for the father to stop after just a few effects. Take wwhokie1’s advice and download a video.
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On Apr 21, 2014, wwhokie1 wrote: After they see it the first time the magic is over, they know what is going to happen, and then it just becomes a puzzle they are trying to solve.


Absolutely superb comment, wwhokie1! There is something else to consider. Learning a few magic tricks will definitely not fill the time it takes for a "flight." It seems to me that the father will only manage to get his daughter interested in magic, only to run out of material in a confined setting. Performing a few tricks at home, then offering to do more later, is pretty much acceptable. But in a confined environment, like a flight, the child won't see a good reason for the father to stop after just a few effects. Take wwhokie1’s advice and download a video.



Darn it Michael! You and wwhokie 1 have both said it much better than I. I was so irritated by the reply of the OP to me, that I let my emotions take over.

The OP is quite obviously a "magician" in his own mind.

Thanks again to you and wwh 1 for your well reasoned response!
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Maybe you could suggest going to a book store and purchasing a few 'beginner' magic books.
There are many that will provide hours of fun with everyday objects. Learning a few simple
magic tricks together on the plane could be fun.

The following all have good instructions with colorful pictures of props that would be fun for the adult and child to read, talk about, assembly, and practice together on the trip.

The Great Big Book Of Magic---by Joe Fullman
Practical Magic----by Hinkler Books
Complete Idiot's Guide to magic Tricks---by Tom Ogden
The Magic Book---by Chartwell Books


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Get a coin slide/ drawer. You can do a lot of magic with it: vanish, appearance, transformation, transposition ( if you have two of them). It's the Adams magic Dick spoke of and doing the variety of tricks can keep the kid entertained for a while. Afterwards, exploring the prop and teaching the child how to do some magic may not only fill the trip time but also give the child a nice little starter magic trick and may develop an interest in magic.
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Get a coin slide/ drawer. You can do a lot of magic with it: vanish, appearance, transformation, transposition ( if you have two of them). It's the Adams magic Dick spoke of and doing the variety of tricks can keep the kid entertained for a while. Afterwards, exploring the prop and teaching the child how to do some magic may not only fill the trip time but also give the child a nice little starter magic trick and may develop an interest in magic.
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Yes, coin slide or ball and vase would be great.

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Hot rod/money paddle, nickels to dimes, haunted key, dime/penny...

hope this helps....

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I would recommend a good beginner's book. He can learn a trick or two from the book and then give the book to his daughter to keep her occupied for a very long time.

It's clear that you want to get paid for your advice and effort and so I would take the time to learn a couple of the tricks from the book, tutor the parent in those carefully selected tricks, and then offer to sell him the book at cost (but in addition to your teaching fee). This way you're actually solving his problem and you're not revealing tricks that can't be learned at your local library.
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"Mark Wilson's Complete Course In Magic" book.
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