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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
I had heard that Five Guys made a good hamburger, and I happened to hungry and driving by one, so I gave it a shot. It was a very tasty patty and a good bun, and the whole effect was severely diminished with processed cheese. But that's a side issue.
On my way out the door, I noticed sacks of potatoes, all identified as from Idaho. On further investigation, I discovered that the beef was imported from the USA too. I blew a gasket. Don't get me wrong. I'm all for trade and I have no qualms about the quality of the product. But geez Louise, I'm living in cattle county, and we grow (literally) tons of high quality potatoes. In fact, there's a high probability that the seed potatoes for those Idaho spuds originated here. What could possibly justify moving into this market and NOT dealing with the locals? Even McDonald's uses as much local product as possible. It's enough to stop me from returning. This bother anyone else?
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Marlin1894 Special user 559 Posts |
The only reason I can think of is that because Five Guys is somewhat unique in the fast food market that they take extra steps to not mess with the formula. It's possible that they only work with certain companies that they have a history with and trust. If anything it seems buying locally might help their bottom line.
But I'd be interested to hear why they choose to do things that way. You should send them an email and see if they respond. |
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On Apr 28, 2014, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: How about the workers, i.e. re the "Temporary Foreign Workers Program"? [Non-Canadians or those who do not follow Canadian news are not likely to get the joke, so don't waste your time trying.]
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
LOL Balducci!
Marlin, good idea. I just sent them an email. I'll post the response I get.
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
If you want local then shop locally. Mom and Pop or small regional chains are generally better than their corporate counterparts. I ate at a Five Guys once. Fairly marginal burger and almost inedible fries. No reason to go back especially since we've got Kidd Valley and Red Mill in my neck of the woods. Both local concerns that make very decent hamburgers and fries.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On Apr 28, 2014, Payne wrote: Fortunately, I very rarely eat fast food. But I was on the road and thought I'd give the guys a try.
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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What could possibly justify moving into this market and NOT dealing with the locals? What kind of deal are the locals offering the business? Is it a better deal than what they are currently getting from their current suppliers? Business is earned and is not just given away just because somebody is local. If the locals want the business, my opinion is they should compete like everybody else and offer a better deal and a better value than what is currently being offerred. Of course, the locals could also simply boycott the business too I suppose since the new guy in town expects that his business should be earned rather than given away.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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e.g. "One of NAFTA's biggest economic effects on U.S.-Canada trade has been to boost bilateral agricultural flows.[14] In the year 2008 alone, Canada exports to the United States and Mexico were at $381.3 billion, and imports from NAFTA were at $245.1 billion.[15]A book written by Mel Hurtig published in 2002 called The Vanishing Country charged that since NAFTA's ratification more than 10,000 Canadian companies had been taken over by foreigners, and that 98% of all foreign direct investments in Canada were for foreign takeovers."
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On Apr 28, 2014, General_Magician wrote: It makes no difference if all of the franchise owners are obliged to use the same suppliers. That appears to be the case with their sweet buns. Not sure about their other items. But, FWIW, Maine tried to get Five Guys to use its potatoes instead of Idaho's: https://bangordailynews.com/2012/12/04/n......otatoes/ “They have the bags of potatoes stacked up right there in the lobby with Idaho stamped on them, and there was also a sign on the wall that said something about ‘today’s potatoes come from Idaho,’ and I started thinking how wrong that was for a place in Maine,” said Ritch, a Houlton native who started picking potatoes at the age of 11 and worked his way up to become a truck driver before he finished.
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
I personally think the locals should have to earn the business of Five Guys and offer a better deal and a better value than what they are currently getting. If politicans or the locals try to force Five Guys to accept a deal either through legislation or boycotts, then I would just pack up if I were Five Guys and take my business to a different state or move out of Canada and stick with only doing business with business friendly states and countries. Canada doesn't sound like a place to invest in if a business could face boycotts simply because they refuse to buy local because the locals don't want to compete and offer a better deal and a better value. American politicians should also consider punitive tariffs on Canadian companies doing business in the US if they are benefiting with trade from the US but US companies cannot benefit simply because the Canadians are afraid to compete and earn their money. There is no such thing as easy money or a free ride.
I have purchased some foreign made products here in the US such as the PS4 because it was superior to their American counterpart. I expect American business to have earn my business even when competing against foreign companies. I believe in giving a fair shake to everybody and in fair competition in the marketplace where everybody earns their keep for those companies that choose to do business in the US but I expect US companies to get the same treatment in return when they do business in those same foreign nations that have companies that do business in the United States.
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Magnus, it would bother me. Mass produced processed food sucks any way. Sourcing miles away does not help.
The best burger in Ireland is sold in a take away in Killarney. They get the local butcher to make the burgers fresh each day from local beef, no additives. They look rougher than the commercial burgers made from rendered gristle that McDonalds favour, but they taste devine. The cheese is local, and the salads as well. Worth travelling to taste. The next best burger is sold at a street market, from locally sourced organic beef and salads, locally sourced buns, etc. You really can't beat the care the smaller guys take.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
To their credit, Five guys have already responded.
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John, This is a pretty good answer. I am impressed. John
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
So what about "On further investigation, I discovered that the beef was imported from the USA too. I blew a gasket."?
Was your source mistaken, or is Jared Taylor?
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Tree Loyal user Wiggle Wiggle 295 Posts |
My wife and I support our local economy as much as possible.
Then it's US products only when we can't. We refuse to buy chinese made goods due to the poisons contained in the plastics, metals, and foods imported into the US. Doi the research, it's nasty. We buy from the local farmer's market, organic co op, neighbors, etc... she reads every label making sure, and research's the companies she buys from. Talks to the neighbors who produce milk, cheese, and veggies. At a point there are some times you can't buy and support your neighbors and local businesses so we buy the best and pay the price for the best quality. price is no object. It's the choice we made. Yet, If we find better than what we have bought in the past we switch. Then for technology, we buy what's out there with the choice through research, but as it is technology is a worldwide market and you have to do with what's available. good thread |
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
Local source doesn't really matter to me. Where I live here in the South, it's very business friendly and very competitive. Most business are not "required" to use local supplies like they are in Canada and most people here are not going to boycott you if you don't use local supplies. You pretty much have to work hard and earn the business of any business here and it's not given to you just because you are local. It's part of free market capitalism. Sorry if it comes across the wrong way, but that's how it is where I am located. You don't get business simply because you are local, you get the business because you earned it and you offer a better deal.
Now, a better deal doesn't necessarily entail a better price mind you, but you offer something of higher value that justifies paying your prices over the competition even if they are charging less because you offering something the competition isn't offering. I have also never gotten sick or had anything bad happen to me simply because a business wasn't getting it's supplies or what have you locally. We also have a lot of businesses that come to the South as well because of the friendlier business climate and the economy seems to be pretty strong down here with plenty of opportunity. My wife is from Vermont, so the cost of living is also much cheaper and very affordable down South unlike the cost of living in Vermont or Canada (she is from Burlington and not too far from Canada and up in Vermont, they have Canadians come down all the time to shop). Some people in Vermont are all big into buying local and I don't think it is necessarily about quality so much as just simply not wanting to compete and keeping money in the local economy (but that's not how it is down South where my wife and I currently live, you have to compete to get business from other business and they are not going to give you business just because you are local).
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On Apr 28, 2014, balducci wrote: My source was the company's Canadian website: "our distributor purchases raw materials from the major meat suppliers in the US who are required to treat the cattle humanely and follow all the procedures set forth by the USDA." Given the conflicting statements, I'll take Taylor at his word unless something more compelling is presented.
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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On Apr 29, 2014, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Here is thing Mag, why should a business have to buy local? I mean I understand that locals help support the business, but the business is giving people what they want and by being forced to buy local then that could harm the efforts of the business to give the locals exactly what they want? You see what I mean? It could also drive up prices of the product being offered too and make the business uncompetitive when it is forced to buy local. If the locals want the business from a new business in town, then the locals should have to earn the business. Business is not something you just give away. It's something that is earned and have to keep earning to keep the business. You kinda get what I mean? Maybe Five Guys has a supplier that is not local that offers cheaper and higher quality supplies than what locals can offer, but this also enables Five Guys to remain competitive and offer high quality product at a reasonable price to local customers. Why should Five Guys be forced to do business with locals if the locals can't offer a better deal than what they are getting from their current suppliers? And if Five Guys were forced to do business with locals if these are the specific circumstances, then I imagine Five Guys are going to have to raise their prices or pack up and go home because it's just not feasible to do business in Canada, while still being competitive and turn a profit. This could also invite retaliatory measures against Canadian businesses doing business in the United States. I am curious what your response is to this or do you have a response and just believe that suppliers shouldn't have to earn the business of Five Guys and that they should just buy local because...because well, because only because they're local? If I remember correctly, didn't you also admit you were a Marxist as well (and I ask this seriously, because if I remember correctly you admitted to being a Marxist, but correct me if I am wrong)?
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
I think any boycott of an American business that does not use local suppliers by the Canadians, Canadian businesses in the US should face punishment in return with tarriffs by the US government and hit their bottom lines as well and trade barriers should then be resurrected between Canadian and American business since the Canadians don't want to play fair competition. Local suppliers does not necessarily mean the best value or the best price. Now, if the local suppliers offer a better value and/or a better price, then, I can see where some Canadians might have a legitimate gripe. But again, business is earned. It's not just given to you.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Woah! What does the OP have to do with Marxism? You make an awful of assumptions, General. And your posts in this thread are full of them.
All Magnus said was that he was surprised that Five Guys didn't use local sources because "I'm living in cattle county, and we grow (literally) tons of high quality potatoes. In fact, there's a high probability that the seed potatoes for those Idaho spuds originated here. What could possibly justify moving into this market and NOT dealing with the locals? Even McDonald's uses as much local product as possible." I guess McDonald's must be Marxist, too, as well as all those folks who remind us to "Buy American." |
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