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On Apr 30, 2014, Al Desmond wrote:
You do not make mistakes in front of an audience.

If only this were true. You certainly don't appear to make mistakes in front of an audience Smile Even the best teacher in the world cannot fully protect you from inexperience. However you learn far more from your mistakes than you do from your successes. There is no better (or harsher) teacher than experience.

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On Apr 30, 2014, Al Desmond wrote:
You do not make mistakes in front of an audience.

If only this were true. You certainly don't appear to make mistakes in front of an audience Smile Even the best teacher in the world cannot fully protect you from inexperience. However you learn far more from your mistakes than you do from your successes. There is no better (or harsher) teacher than experience.

Mark


I think "You certainly don't appear to make mistakes in front of an audience" was my point. You just said the same thing I already said.
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Head Case,

Trail and error is going to be part of your journey anyway you look at it.

It will not do you any harm to pick up Bob's book. A point in the right direction and good information and advise will always help and inspire your work. Read Bobs 39 Setps, here is a very good place to start.
Bob Cassidy, allthough his works are generally aimed at professionals, there is much to learn.

Structuring your act , well different people take different approaches. I would say start with you, work the routines around your personality, who you are and why your audence should be interested in what you doing? Treat your audence with respect, your there to entertain them and in doing so you will enjoy performing, take the ride with your audience.

Connect your routines in a logical order and don't try to express that you can reads minds , predict the future, talk to the dead and bend metal with your mind all in the same show.

I'm sure many of us know this , presentation is important, most important I believe in Mentalism. It's Acting. And the best acting is a natural approach , think Brando.
However, try not to wear all black and don't touch your farhead all night, lol

Good luck on your Journey
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PS : Stay away from Hippity Hop Rabbits
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Lot's of good advice and thoughts posted by everyone.

Here are some additional thoughts to the original post...

Put together your act in the best way you know how. Then, go perform it. No biggie. You won't be tossed to the gallows if your show doesn't go as you hoped. It's just a show that will blow away like a leave in the wind.

The great news is, at the end of the show, you'll have the answers to a lot of the questions you're asking. Based on that ultimately powerful first-hand feedback you just received, tweak the act the best way you know how! Then, go perform some more. If you remain a student of the art that cycle will continue for the rest of your life... only the adjustments you make will get smaller and smaller. The amount of focused effort you put in to the tweaking/learning cycle will be reflected in the performer you become.

Standing on the shoulders of people who have had a lifetime of those cycles is a no brainer. Books/Video/Audio/Live Performances, are all good things.

Don't forget to enjoy the journey Smile
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Lot's of good advice and thoughts posted by everyone.

Here are some additional thoughts to the original post...

Put together your act in the best way you know how. Then, go perform it. No biggie. You won't be tossed to the gallows if your show doesn't go as you hoped. It's just a show that will blow away like a leave in the wind.

The great news is, at the end of the show, you'll have the answers to a lot of the questions you're asking. Based on that ultimately powerful first-hand feedback you just received, tweak the act the best way you know how! Then, go perform some more. If you remain a student of the art that cycle will continue for the rest of your life... only the adjustments you make will get smaller and smaller. The amount of focused effort you put in to the tweaking/learning cycle will be reflected in the performer you become.

Standing on the shoulders of people who have had a lifetime of those cycles is a no brainer. Books/Video/Audio/Live Performances, are all good things.

Don't forget to enjoy the journey Smile



This is true, pilots call it flight time, you can sit at the simulator all you like eventually ya have to get behind the wheel and fly.

Don't let mishaps, set you back, in the beginning they are going to happen. Also I forgot to mention, a great thing to do is tape your shows, if you can't video tape, then audio, this will teach you much about how its going , and what you may like or don't like in your presentations. Takes a bit of guts cuz when you listen you may be surprised at what screams out at you.

If you doing stage presentations, try to read up on theatre, very helpful because its all theatre.
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I'm a little late to this thread, but I suggest you get Eberhard Riese's book Foundations. It is about structuring your act from character to lighting. Eberhard has helped many top pros and his book is one of the few that take you through a complete process to build a professional act. I used it to revamp my act and it's truly gold.
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Personally, I pieced my act together by reading books on script writing and adapting what they do. I also think Osterlind's advice on act building is priceless and that's how I've been doing it lately, it will give the act variety by default. You can probably find it on this forum if you look, but it's also on one of his videos. Oh, and Tarbell! I just don't remember which one.

If you go the Tarbell route, I don't personally think repetition with be an issue but you still need to look out for it. Remember what the effect looks like to an audience. If the Tossed Out Deck and Canfabulation look too similar to the audience then cut one. There's other bits you can do I your act.
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I'm a little late to this thread, but I suggest you get Eberhard Riese's book Foundations. It is about structuring your act from character to lighting. Eberhard has helped many top pros and his book is one of the few that take you through a complete process to build a professional act. I used it to revamp my act and it's truly gold.


No doubt it's a great book, but developing a credible mentalism act is a bit different from building a FISM style competition magic act.
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Stop and get "Maximum Entertainment" by Ken Weber. Some of the information he has in the book will be ego crushing, but your act and performances will be better for it.
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No doubt it's a great book, but developing a credible mentalism act is a bit different from building a FISM style competition magic act.


While I agree developing a mentalism act is different than a FISM act, I don't agree that Foundations can be pidgeoholed that way. It is a book about the essential components of building an act - character, plot, costume, etc. It is mostly about using creativity to develop something new and different. If you are new to creating an act, it stimulates your thought process. Most mentalism acts today with the exception of a Derren Brown are the same old same old. Mentalism is either presented as real, with the tired old 'I use my five senses to create a sixth' kind of thing or I'm a psychological fooler. So, by credible it depends on what your approach is. Let's face it, most acts are clairvoyance, bit with one ahead, drawing dupe, maybe chair routine and Q&A. Brown is interesting because he and Nyman use all of that and combine with apparatus and the NLP schtick to give you interesting stage craft. It's a total package. My recommendation for Foundations is that it stimulates creativity and asks you to think outside the box. While Reese may make FISM winners, it's a fully structured book on helping you get insight into character, plot and stagecraft. More mental acts could use this approach.
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Thanks for setting me straight about mentalism.

Personally, I recommend Weber's book and my own work, "Artful Mentalism, Part 2:Fundamentals."
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My copy of your part 2 still hasn't arrived Bob, I've got the day off work tomorrow so hopefully the postman will be kind to me.

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I hope so. Who did you order it from?
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I hope so. Who did you order it from?

I ordered it from Amazon although I believe the actual seller is dude that's cool magic.

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Thanks for setting me straight about mentalism.

Personally, I recommend Weber's book and my own work, "Artful Mentalism, Part 2:Fundamentals."


I WAS NOT trying to set you straight about mentalism. I was objecting to the statement that Foundations was about a FISM act. That's simply not true. I only offered my opinion on many mentalism acts today and lack of creativity. Foundations is about being creative in putting an act together. Why do you want to make it personal? I made no comment about you and your mentalism knowledge. I have not read your latest book, I have bought and read many of your others. I'm sure you recommend your own work. I have no opinion on it. I was simply letting the poster know there are other books not often mentioned here. You categorized it as a FISM act book. I disagree.
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Sorry, can't help you there as I have no idea who that is.

The book is also available from every major dealer as well as the publisher, H&R Books.

But I've got my fingers crossed that you get it soon.

Best-

Bob
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The postal gods were kind to me. The first thing that strikes me is this is one heavy book, well I'm glad it didn't literally strike me as it would knock me spark out. This is going to keep me busy for a very long time.

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