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jason ladanye Loyal user 254 Posts |
What's the absolute STRONGEST card trick you do? I mean the one that gets people to jump in shock. Remember, card tricks only. My favorite is called Through and Through. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFvKysH7Pcc Watch the girl on my right freak out!
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Kbuck54 Veteran user 343 Posts |
I can't decide between the only two thatI do on a regular basis. 1) Self-Evudent by David Regal, and 2} Cataclyism a new effect that kills.
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AaronSterling Veteran user 319 Posts |
That's a strong vid, jason ladanye.
To answer your question, Ed Marlo's Female. In fact, I've temporarily stopped performing it, because it's powerful in a way that I don't yet know how to control. One time when I did it, people got uncomfortable, because it was almost creepy, I knew too much. Sort of like if I started saying people's 4-digit PINs out loud, that kind of vibe. Yeah, it's impressively impossible, but it crosses a boundary. Anyway, I've talked to people about this in real life, but still don't have a solid handle on the routine. More work to do! |
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pepka Inner circle Uh, I'm the one on the right. 5041 Posts |
I get the biggest reactions from signed card to impossible location, (wallet or box) or my own closer....which is the revelation of a thought of card from a spectator shuffled deck, and I touch nothing.
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
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On May 4, 2014, jason ladanye wrote: Hi Jason, First off, your card work is impeccable; I am sure Darwin Ortiz is proud of you. But your question is not so easily answered and I know I have taken flack for this before and will again. Thank Heaven my wardrobe is largely fireproof. I DO think that there are certainly strong card effects but the degree of their strength largely depends upon the performer. Presentation really is key and you obviously know that. But I have seen some magicians perform profoundly powerful tricks and audiences are less than impressed because there is no presentation. Conversely, I have seen magicians perform what some would call "weak" tricks and completely slay audiences. I would offer that Pop Haydn's Chicago Surprise could well be a study both in terms of a strong effect that is made stronger by Pop's deep understanding of presentation. Harry Lorayne is another obvious example. John Guastaferro's One Degree actually seeks to focus on your very question. The premise of the book is concerned with how to elevate our magic that extra degree to make it much more memorable and obviously strong. So, your question asks a deeper question that could be discussed, namely, is a trick in and of itself strong even without a decent presentation? What is the impact of the performer? Karl Fulves' quite simple Gemini Twins is a VERY strong effect, but, with no presentation, it's a puzzle. Performed in a manner that builds to the denouement - good theater - makes it almost a miracle. I have honked off a few magicians when I say this, but, magic is first and foremost a performing art and some magicians are so obsessed with "moves" that presentation is frequently an afterthought at best and I find that quite sad. |
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Terrible Wizard Inner circle 1973 Posts |
Find the strongest effects possible, and give them the best presentation possible. I agree with vlad that presentation is vital, and can transform a 'weak' effect. Though a strong effect is always better, of course.
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jason ladanye Loyal user 254 Posts |
…and in your experience, what's the name of that effect that gets the audience to jump? I'm interested to see if anyone here is finding great presentations for "weaker" effects.
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AaronSterling Veteran user 319 Posts |
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On May 5, 2014, jason ladanye wrote: The effect that's most consistently produced people screaming "Oh my god" into my face has been Invisible Palm. Not really a "weaker" effect though. I hear what you're asking. Maybe El Cochecito would be a good example? The card work is "trivial," while the emotional impact can be huge. In general, I think the best examples of what you want might be found in Spain, China and Japan right now, not so much the US. Dangerous generalization but I'll say it anyway: modern American card magicians tend to touch people on a superficial emotional level. |
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
I agree with Vlad, I have seen people go nuts over Red Hot Mama and I have seen people have that "OK...next trick..." kind of reaction. One year I was working a bar on New Years Eve and the Magician from the main room had to leave as soon as his 2 hrs was up (but he didn't hit every table) I stepped in and handled the Main Room for the rest of the night. He must have done Crazy Mans Handcuffs for every table he worked because when I hit a table he had been at, they would ask if I could do "that trick with the rubber bands passing through each other. I would say "Sure" and do a variation that uses 1 rubber band but it looks like 2 set up the same way then I would "melt them together openly - to melt into 1 rubber band" (not sure the name of the effect) anyway...THEY WENT NUTS... as simple a followup to an effect like CMH, the right timing and presentation made it look like a miracle.
Different people react differently. I don't know what part plays a bigger role to answer your question. The Spectator (and how they view "magic")... You, as a performer (how you present the effect)... The effect (how "magically" does it play out.)
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lynnef Inner circle 1407 Posts |
Loved the video (as well as others by Jason). I also agree with Vlad and Poof-Daddy that there's a lot more than the trick itself in strong magic. Through and Through is indeed very strong; but I think there are touches that make it really special like the sound effects and the great patter. To be fair, the post asks what is the strongest trick "you" do; so it's not really asking for the strongest trick. My strongest reaction I ever got was simply a stand-up Red Hot Mama where I had no place to put the red card except on the ground. There was a crowd; and it got a big collective shock. I must have done it a couple hundred times before; but this time was different! I love the 'transp' type tricks BTW; and have gotten pretty good reactions from Your Signed Card, the Visitor, etc ... but the strongest reaction ever for me was Red Hot Mama ... go figure!!! ps welcome welcome welcome Jason to the Café! Lynn
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jason ladanye Loyal user 254 Posts |
This thread shouldn't be a debate! There's definitely no wrong answers:) I've done DL's that get people going. I'm asking what effects consistently get that "pop." I also agree with Pepka… Card to impossible location seems to really animate lay audiences.
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WooG New user 30 Posts |
Hi Jason,
Great video, liked this one from your book, have not had the book long enough to practice the routine but I'll def give it a try. Just going through Ortiz at the card table currently as I wanted to sharpen my pinky count prior to diving into your book but got caught up in the Ortiz material again.. For me I seem to always get a big reaction from triumph, almost straight from stars of magic. I have gotten some big reactions from Aces to Order as well. But the biggest reaction I got was guy hollingworths reformation. I'll let you know once I try out the material from your book. Regards, Matt |
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jason ladanye Loyal user 254 Posts |
Try Darwin's 52 Pick-up from his latest book. I literally jumped out of my seat the first time I saw that. (True story!)
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WooG New user 30 Posts |
Alright, I'll have to read through that one again when I get home. Haven't bad a chance to practice any material from his latest book. I think I have a lot of material to practice between that and your book, should be good for a few months still
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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3691 Posts |
Chicago Surprise is the strongest close-up trick I perform, cards or otherwise.
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magicfish Inner circle 7016 Posts |
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On May 4, 2014, jason ladanye wrote: Since this is the Workers forum I'm assuming you mean strongest regular deck sleight of hand card trick? |
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magicfish Inner circle 7016 Posts |
By the way, very well done, Jason, I really enjoyed your performance in that video.
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jcigam Special user Bellevue, Nebraska 512 Posts |
While I agree that spectators react differently to different effects, I believe a strong competent performer with a strong effect will get consistent reactions from a variety of people. That being said, when someone hands me a deck and asks me to show them a trick, I always perform Outstanding Triumph, from The Classic Magic of Larry Jennings. My handling is identical to the instructions; however, in my case I believe it's my patter in conjunction with this very deceptive effect that sells it and actually draws a gasp from the spectators. I ask them to imagine their selection represents the most important thing in their life and suddenly it's lost, etc. We find their card using the advice my mother always told me which is, if you lose something just retrace your steps and eventually you'll find it. In the end, the spectator is holding their selection and they don't realize it until the last possible second. I always get a great reaction.
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Steven Leung Inner circle found the Magic Rainbow after 1614 Posts |
Dear fellow magicians,
For your information and my record as well, I just searched and found some interesting thing related to strongest card magic. The following web sites is in simplified chinese, but you can translate it via google translate or just read it like me. http://www.themagicway.net/?p=3073 http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z1......bao_shop It basically said about a memorized deck workshop hosted by Pit Hartling & Denis Behr, and it charged for say around US$2,000 for a three day workshop specialized in Memorized Deck. It said the book Mnemonica is only basic of memorized deck and Tamariz perform very few effect described in the book (which I strongly doubted about as I saw his live performance in convention and workshop at least twice) This workshop will make Berglas effect just a simple card trick like a beginner's trick. Inisde the description, there is one particular effect caught my eye, that is called - Ultimate Gambling. It is said that such effect never published anywhere, it only mentioned in Tamariz annual close up conference in Spain. This trick shown to Michael Ammar and he replied that it should be the strongest card trick ever. Basic description of Ultimate Gambling Spectator 1 named any hand (eg Royal Flush, Four of a kind, Full House, Three of a kind, Two Pair...) Spectator 2 named specific card based on spectator 1 requirement (eg 10-A of spades for Royal Flush, 4 queens and an ace of clubs for 4 of a kind, etc) Spectator 3 decided how many players Magician take the deck and deal as required and will get the SPECIFIC HAND. This workshop will also include: Allow spectator shuffled the deck and without touching afterwards and maintain the stack order (I just translate according to the meaning) The effect prologue before using memorized stack / mnemonica stack How to use mnemonica stack to create a full deck sequence Mathematical Formula secret of memorized deck Other tricks include: Four of a kind (unpublished Tamariz version) How to use stack to conrol cards in order to perform 'The trick that cannot be explained' Multiple person version of ACAAN ... etc I sincerely would like to know more about this ultimate gambling and the convention mentioned as well. I hope that this message will not offend anyone as I just translate the web site information for your information purpose. Sincerely,
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Terrible Wizard Inner circle 1973 Posts |
It might be an idea to post that translated site info in the Shuffled Not Stirred forum, they probably know a lot about mem deck stuff.
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