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LoveKey1988
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Who in mentalism do you consider the equal of Dai vernon in magic?
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No one. There was only one Vernon.
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I can tell you the Richard Osterlind of Mentalism though... Richard Osterlind.
And the Bob Cassidy of Mentalism... Bob Cassidy.

These 2 gentlemen will give you enough material to perform and think a lifetime.
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No love for the Maven?
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Dai Vernon of mentalism.........Ted Annemann.
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Richard Osterlind - because of his diverse approach and his exhaustive teaching contributions to the craft.
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On May 16, 2014, Rogerbest wrote:
Dai Vernon of mentalism.........Ted Annemann.



What he said.
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Peter Turner is the Dai Vernon of mentalism.
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Philemon,

I think one of the reasons you will find a lot of love for Bob and Richard here is that they interact with us. Richard not as much anymore, but he still pops in now and again.

Also, look at the kinds of releases in which Bob and Richard have been involved: Their DVDs include their whole acts. They have not kept their best stuff back for themselves.

Max Maven is an incredible actor, performer and creator of magic, but most here don't have the same level of access as we do with Bob and Richard.

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Now, on to the original question, I like what Tom Cutts said about this in that Dai Vernon was one of a kind.

Who do all of the great mentalists of today look up to? Who do all of the rising mentalists turn to? Who is the mentalist that every other one has a story about? Which mentalist is sitting in a club every night continually working on his craft, entertaining others, reminiscing about the good ol' days and teaching others?

I don't know who the person is.

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Dai did mentalism, he was the first to have cards thought of and not "picked".
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Actually, there is an entire chapter in Erdnase devoted to determining a thought-of card.
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It might help to define what is meant by being the "Dai Vernon" of a field.

To me, Vernon's place of importance in magic is because of his:

1) Teaching and mentoring.
2) Insistence that methods and performance could and should be refined until they appeared absolutely natural.
3) Feeling that fields outside of magic (in Vernon's case, gambling in particular) could provide fruitful avenues of investigation for the magician.
4) Passion that magic was worth caring about.
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Richard osterlind for his contributions to teaching the craft.
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Osterlind, definitely. I can think of no other mentalist who has produced even 1/2 of the teaching material Richard has. Granted, Richard didn't create all of the material he teaches, but neither did Vernon.
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On May 19, 2014, rjbullock wrote:
Osterlind, definitely. I can think of no other mentalist who has produced even 1/2 of the teaching material Richard has. Granted, Richard didn't create all of the material he teaches, but neither did Vernon.


While I certainly don't claim to be the Dai Vernon of anything, I think that my published output over the last forty years is rather substantial (as is my good friend Richard's):

Releases include:

61 eBooks exclusively at Lybrary.com
2 hard backs from H&R (Both volumes of The Artful Mentalism)
1 hard cover from Collector's Workshop (The Art of Mentalism)
numerous contributions to Magick, Magic Magazine, Invocation, Vibrations, etc.
1 softcover from Bob Lynn (My 1st book, Pseudomentally Yours, in 1978)
2 DVDs at Meyer Yedid (Mental Miracles and The Black Box)
8 exclusive Teleseminars from Marketplace of the Mind
6 exclusive eBooks at Marketplace of the Mind
Billet Killers from Penguin Magic
and at least a dozen physical products, including the Master Mentalists Blindfold, the Hanussen Switch Bag, Test Conditions, impression devices, the PW23 PocketWriter, et al)
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Thank you professor.

Caling someone a master of their craft takes time - flavors of the year and month come and go.

To call a newer on the scene mentalist in a class with the likes of a "Dai Vernon" makes little sense.

You have to look at someone's entire body of work over many (20-30) years to make that kind of opinion.

Just because some flavor of the year performer is talenetd and cutting edge this year does not mean they will necessarily stand the test of time.
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I never really understood these comparisons. Ultimately, we are all individuals, De facto - unique. The comment regarding number of releases is not really a benchmark either, particularly in this day & age when new releases are almost suffocating! There is no question that Richard Osterlind & Bob Cassidy have released material that any serious Mentalist should be familiar with. Another giant in this area is Max Maven. Point being, all three(3)are individual and unique, as we all are. Drawing comparisons IMO, is a futile exercise.
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I agree. The number of releases is not a benchmark as quality is always more important than quantity. The only reason I even brought it up was because the post I was responding to was hardly accurate.
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I feel equally uneasy with threads like this. Although I am very flattered to have my name brought up, comparisons and competitions are really not what the art should be about. There are so many creators I admire, but Bob's books sit on my shelf right beside Annemann and Corinda. (literally)
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