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shakuni
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Which stack is easiest to get from (1) shuffled deck and (2) new deck? Thanks!
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If you are starting with a randomly shuffled pack, then in the long run, getting to any specified stack will be of equivalent difficulty.

If you start in NDO, then the answer is that it depends on the stack you want. For example, if your stack is AAAA22223333.... then you can get there in two faros. To get into since Si Stebbins from NDO, check out other threads in this section. Tamariz is possible but not easy. Aronson much more difficult.

But really stop delaying, and start memorizing! You will be glad you did. Smile
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From NDO: Marlo has a very easy one and so does Michael Skinner (see Classic Sampler).
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If you can do faro shuffles, then Tamariz's stack Mnemonica is really convenient for going from (European) NDO to stack order and back.

This was my first reason for memorizing this stack. It is easy to set up and ending with the deck in NDO is imho a wonderful finish. Moreover, you can also very easily go from Mnemonica to staystack which give you the opportunity to perform great tricks using this special kind of ordering of the deck...
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You can probably get into Stebbins the fastest using Ortiz' secret (a few quick overhand shuffles and faros). Not only is it faster getting into Stebbins effects, but you can follow them with a Gilbreath demonstration or two.

Mnemonica requires so much shuffling (especially from U.S. NDO) that I never get set in front of specs anymore. A d**k s***ch serves me better.
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On Jun 13, 2014, Mike Ince wrote:
Mnemonica requires so much shuffling (especially from U.S. NDO) that I never get set in front of specs anymore. A d**k s***ch serves me better.

Wise words.
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On Jun 13, 2014, Mike Ince wrote:
Mnemonica requires so much shuffling (especially from U.S. NDO) that I never get set in front of specs anymore. A d**k s***ch serves me better.

Wise words.


I can't (yet) do a perfect faro, but I do set up Mnemonica quite quickly doing two antifaro-2s and the Klondike shuffle from European NDO (a slight variation from the approach given in book of a deck reversal and an antifaro-4, which is just as much dealing). However, I can't imagine being bold enough to do it in front of spectators, even with Tamariz's suggested "this is how they get a really good mix in Las Vegas/Atlantic City/Monte Carlo" patter. I find that more often I set up the stack in private directly, as it is a good exercise in consolidating my memory.

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In the book The Secrets of Brother John Hamman on pg. 71 is an item called "Chinese Shuffle to Si Stebbins Stack". With it you can get into Si Stebbins stack on the fly, from a shuffled deck, with 6 quick culls.

Definately a handy thing to practice and have in your toolbox!

David
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On May 30, 2014, Eric Richardson wrote:
From NDO: Marlo has a very easy one and so does Michael Skinner (see Classic Sampler).


And though Eric is too modest to mention, he too has a beautiful solution. PM him. Smile

I bought his e-book on this last year and I love the method. It DOES take some considerable study but it could be just the ticket.
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Vlad, is Eric's solution from NDO to a known stack or to one of his own devising?
Eric Richardson
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It is into Aronson order. As Vlad says, it does take some dedication to learn. I have recently returned to it and have simplified it even more. More info coming in the near future...
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Into Aronson? Now you have my attention...
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Juan Tamariz lists several ways to get into any memorized stack (not just his own) from a shuffled deck in MNEMONICA. My personal favorite is the Nikola system. Lately I've been playing around with adding elements of "Memory Man" by Joel Givens and coming up with some interesting ideas.
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On Jun 15, 2014, David Martin wrote:
In the book The Secrets of Brother John Hamman on pg. 71 is an item called "Chinese Shuffle to Si Stebbins Stack". With it you can get into Si Stebbins stack on the fly, from a shuffled deck, with 6 quick culls.

Definately a handy thing to practice and have in your toolbox!

David


This is an interesting solution too. A few notes for those unfamiliar with the effect:

-The culls are done openly - going through the deck, upjogging particular groups of cards, and cutting them to the back - not secretly like a Hofzinser cull.

-In the book, the effect is first described as a way to arrange the deck into four of a kinds, Ace through King, in the context of a pick-a-card trick (with two selections). To get to this order only requires 4 culls, if I remember correctly. No trick is described for doing the six culls to get to Si Stebbins order.

-Though the required math is not written out, this cull method could be used to obtain any stack order.

Hope this helps anyone interested in exploring this idea further.
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